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Tuesday, February 10th 2009 - 03:31:06 PM
| Name: |
Ronald Jones |
| Email address: |
Farrestor@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | You'll think my post is the most irrelevant;
but remember nothing of what has been said is relevant,
what is most relevant cannot be said, it is felt inside
you cannot label a soul or give feedback about it, it is
all in vein and irrelevant. |
Thursday, February 5th 2009 - 04:40:20 PM
| Name: |
Connie Haynes |
| Email address: |
snyh@aol.com |
| Comments: | "It's sort of like a time once when asked to describe, in very few words what or who I looked, I thought. 'I don't have a clue.' Then it dawned on me, that's it, I look like someone who doesn't have a clue."
Name of person withheld by request. |
Thursday, January 29th 2009 - 07:33:26 PM
| Name: |
travis moorman |
| Email address: |
moormantravis@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I think Adams had Alot of influence on Pink Floyd I have noticed that even Roger Waters has used his books as inspiration on his workings Such LP's as The pros and cons of hitchhiking So to me as a Floyd fan I think the enigma is within Adams and the Floyd members adapting to our technology in life as just like Dark Side of the Moon when we expereinced the race to space and the Wall with globilization. I also think the Division Bell is a quirk reference to the New Floyd with out its departing members. Its kind of like " We (the new lineup) are still going on strong and Its like life itself You have to keep moving:) |
Friday, January 16th 2009 - 08:05:22 AM
| Name: |
moebiuskleinbottle |
| Comments: | Ode to transparency.
feedback from the hyper-realist state of virtual truth, which comes infintely close to approximating the real world, present a potential trap that is due to the vulnerability of the mind, and the intention toward fascist universal control through the manipulation of semantics.
technology provides the perfect metaphor for the real world.
the trap then, is the desire to be parented by the captain, the guru, the ideal, the exhalted one, the leader, the steersman.
without the root to the natural analogue of the real, hidden through the exhaltation of the digital code and the cipher of zero where vectors and nodes have become manifest domains, all is potentially lost to idealism.
the gnomic indexical line of the suns shadow reveals in a day a loop, in a year a serpentine helix, infinity. This hidden truth, when returned to the real world, will reveal that the whole evolution of all language and all code is informed by this- the circle 0 and the twisted loop "8".
the whole and the hole that permits the radical recursion - the penetration of the whole into itself, reveals the moebius kleinbottle as the key analogue of the real system that is concealed through the elaborate architectures of the axiomatisation of space and human society.
categories groups sets where the whole is generalised as 1, where limits or constants are generalised as 1, reveal all is one. The set, is the whole, and the set of all sets is the whole of all wholes.
can the truth be revealed through the machine, when the machine was built to replicate the truth into a simulicrum?
true feedback can only succeed if all information flows are free and not confined through higher order control over the whole, by an elite.
With the utility of mass media to condition the mind and conceal the truth through imposing controls over information, deceiving through misinformation, misleading through the desire to preserve the leviathan itself built to provide eternal returns of currency energy from that which is possessed, relies on the will of the masters to reveal to the slave that they have been enslaved for millenium.
cybernetics is nothing new. It is an ancient master slave program that was crafted in order to maintain control through rhetorics, semantics, scripts, codes, ciphers, and dependence.
the loop, mass hypnosis of the consumer, and the blame placed upon the consumer for perpetuating consumption.
ohh for a world without the parent.
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Tuesday, December 30th 2008 - 01:40:03 AM
| Name: |
Ray Brown |
| Email address: |
jeers69@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | Very interesting reading... and just as i thought... somebody on the inside had to be in on it... and I believe that it was the album's concept "Commuication" that was the prize... the ultimate prize was that we had all of these people communicating trying to find the answer when the answer was the "act" of communicating... although "feedback" I believe is only part of "communicating" and thus believe that it is communication! I enjoyed this and look forward to anything new that might come out of Pink Floyd, however i believe that the end has come for the band... |
Friday, December 12th 2008 - 03:22:28 PM
| Name: |
Bartholomew |
| Comments: | Dude, you're AWESOME! |
Wednesday, November 19th 2008 - 11:57:47 AM
| Name: |
LITTLE |
| Email address: |
j_foland@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | AN EMAIL DOOR
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Brief history of the Publius Enigma
http://pinkfloyd-co.com/unt/unt_enigma/unt_enigma.html
START FROM HERE
http://flybyday.com/enigma/
This will help you with what is really going on with the Right One
Rock on DIO
try this too.
http://amityvillefaq.com/truthboard |
Saturday, October 25th 2008 - 06:39:08 PM
| Name: |
Jeremy |
| Email address: |
froppotheweak@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | wow that is pretty deep, and maybe you are (ike so many other people do) try to find a hidden meaning in something with out a meaning at all.
what you say does make sense...
kudos |
Friday, September 26th 2008 - 10:22:09 PM
| Name: |
Todd Gray |
| Email address: |
tncgray@me.com |
| Comments: | Great website! Really was well done. |
Thursday, September 25th 2008 - 08:44:02 PM
| Name: |
steven sharp |
| Email address: |
badboysteviesharp@hotmail.co.uk |
| Comments: | i am bamboozzeled in it all real or not many people are communicating where as once they would have not ? |
Thursday, August 28th 2008 - 10:16:11 PM
| Name: |
NeoLotus |
| Email address: |
neolotus@gmail.com |
| Comments: | I think Godfrey Reggio's films "Koyaanisqatsi", "Powaqqatsi", and "Naqoyqatsi" is fertile territory for a much fuller discussion about this topic.
I personally have deep doubts about all the concepts presented here as having any force of real truth about the human condition let alone the processes of the universe to bring forth life.
The business about communication however, was perhaps best said in the film "Contact" that "the one thing we've found that makes the emptiness bearable is each other." But let's not forget that communication involves a great deal more than sound/data packets. A look, a touch, and the particular way in which they are expressed speaks greater volumes than most words can ever convey. And though music is sound, it is wordless, just as a picture can be worth a 1000 words.
So don't be so keen on harkening to ideas about technology or attaching too much to the meaning of progress in some teleogical manner. American society has made great progress on the path to fascism, so be careful with your thoughts. |
Tuesday, July 22nd 2008 - 05:21:46 AM
| Name: |
levidos |
| Email address: |
levidos@gmail.com |
| Comments: | great site
thanx for sharing with us :> |
Friday, July 11th 2008 - 01:26:24 AM
| Name: |
Davoc Monari |
| Comments: | I disagree with your conclusion, but like the logic you use to get there. |
Thursday, June 12th 2008 - 11:21:36 PM
Wednesday, May 28th 2008 - 11:37:53 AM
| Name: |
Jose |
| Comments: | Good points you give but what about the numbers on the heads in every page of the booklet of the album? maybe if you put them in order there wil be a clearer message, don´t you think? |
Monday, May 12th 2008 - 01:01:15 AM
| Name: |
scott |
| Email address: |
sceri@clear.net.nz |
| Comments: | This is a reasoned, well-written and compelling essay. Certain points were belaboured, and so the point could have been more succinct. Floyd fans would probably have preferred to indulge in more lyric analysis, although I understand whay it was kept brief. Nevertheless, we like our bubble gum to be tasty!, and not lose its flavour on the bedpost over night.
My gratitude to you, though, for these insights.
-SB |
Tuesday, April 22nd 2008 - 11:19:28 AM
| Name: |
Clifford Pate |
| Email address: |
Cliffpate@gmail.com |
| Comments: | Today April 20 2008 I have begun my travel. Thanks for the summary. |
Monday, April 21st 2008 - 04:22:36 AM
| Name: |
ed |
| Email address: |
edpac@comcast.net |
| Comments: | I can follow what your saying but dont want to believe its just all a joke... |
Sunday, April 13th 2008 - 08:59:08 PM
| Name: |
Ken Rich |
| Email address: |
kengrich@yahoo.ca |
| Comments: | The concept is interesting on many levels. For my purposes the aspect of separation into two camps,(ie. yes, no, good, evil, for, against) makes it a perfect expression to incorperate into one of my own songs about the end-times.
It carries enough weight as a "coined phrase" to render that thought in the collective consciousness we are all trying to reach with our lyrics. Therefore, it is useful to me as a songwriter on those grounds. The fact that it also eludes to the expansive meaning behind Pink Floyd's album is simply a bonus in my eyes. The most influential and meaningful secular band in the shaping of my own consciousness and musical style. |
Sunday, March 9th 2008 - 04:53:47 PM
Saturday, February 23rd 2008 - 05:46:57 AM
Tuesday, February 12th 2008 - 05:22:22 PM
| Name: |
bob |
| Comments: | Could somebody please tell me what the hell you are all talking about, personally I think you are all reading into this far too much. Can't you just make do with the fact that It's just simply a good Album. Jesus Chrsit! |
Tuesday, January 15th 2008 - 10:28:17 PM
| Name: |
Susan |
| Email address: |
starstruckgirl@hotmail.co.uk |
| Comments: | my parents did the entire enigma thing back in 1994... some dangerous theories got thrown about... i have recently been doing some digging about all this, as i want to understand the events which ripped my family apart and almost got us all killed...
there was one theory which was to do with the CIA, and that they had an assassination planned against the band, and that "publius" was their messenger crying for help... and suddenly anyone who knew this theory, their life was at risk... all rubbish i know, but my parent believed it.
i was a child, and this puzzle destroyed my life.
as far as i can tell the sporadic nature of Publius posts showed a lack of organisation or form which should have been present with a genuine competition... i doubt it was Adams, he seems too smart to have got involved with this... however it may have been someone who knew Adams and his interests very well.
i agree whatever message this person was attempting to convey it was around communication... that we should all be talking... that much was apparent then, and still is now.
if it was some crack-pot at EMI trying to bolster sales, i think the way they handled this thing was a disorganised shambles... which should have had more planning and organisation... if it was a hoax then shame on the person who conceived it, give me the last ten years of my life back, and i hope that person NEVER experiences the horrors i have lived through due to their ego-centric little game.
I am now applying to Cambridge university, something which I should have done ten years ago... but this puzzle was one of the factors which prevented me.
I hope you find whatever you are looking for.
feel free to publish this on whatever forums you have (minus my email address of course)
Susan. |
Tuesday, January 15th 2008 - 05:27:57 AM
| Name: |
Kyle McLemore |
| Comments: | Thank You. |
Sunday, January 13th 2008 - 08:13:11 PM
| Name: |
Elizabeth |
| Email address: |
farfignuggen@gmail.com |
| Comments: | I have some ideas that I would like other people's opinions about. I posted more extensively to another site at this address:
http://lrtc.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1199992670
I would like to post this part of my comments and questions here because I'm very curious about what other people think who have been researching the Enigma longer than me:
This photo in particular indicates a clear division between the U.S. and Britain:
British version:
http://folk.uio.no/ericsp/images/uk5.jpg
American version:
http://folk.uio.no/ericsp/images/us5.jpg
The world remains the same. It's the perspective of the onlookers (1 British, 1 American) that changes. The perspectives of the 2 are clearly very different from each other.
EJ
Also, during and after the time division bells ring, the center of activity is the most relevent to the situation. When Britain and the U.S. are clearly seperated, the most obvious and central feature is the Atlantic Ocean. It would be viewed very differently from the 2 perspectives. And going out into the Atlantic Ocean would involve travel from any location. One of the clues said that the searchers should be ready to travel. It seemed like an odd clue because traveling wouldn't be necessary from all locations from which that clue might be read...unless it was in a huge area of land without internet access or in an ocean. But there is also a clue that says that the prize is both tangible and will be unearthed when (or if) it is found. So if I'm right, I think it's on an island in the Atlantic Ocean. I just reviewed the lyrics for the whole division bell CD. There are a lot of references to water and silence, and a reference to a building that seems like a clue for some reason.
Is there a place like this that could meet the description of being "a place of magnets and miracles"? I think it would also be an island either occasionally visited by other people or maybe inhabited by some people year-round. And I think it would have some areas where the altitude is much higher in some places than others. It seems likely to be a volcanic island. But I don't think there are very many of those in the Atlantic Ocean compared to the Pacific Ocean. Relating this all back to the big picture, I think there would be some kind of very clear divisiveness involving the others who visit or live on the island. The division could be between islanders, or between islanders and tourists, or it could be a former British colony that is now heavily influenced by the U.S....it's something that is sharp and clearly defined. |
Friday, January 11th 2008 - 04:56:40 AM
Thursday, January 3rd 2008 - 03:27:03 AM
| Name: |
Brandon |
| Email address: |
corvus120@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I followed the "Publius Enigma" for a number of months back in 1994. For the longest time, I thought that it was probably insinuations of an unlikely band reunion, either with Roger Waters, or seemingly more likely, Syd Barrett. Eventually, my interest in the subject fizzled, and I decided to get back to life. It's interesting to me that this is the very thing you propose they were doing. Very interesting. |
Monday, December 31st 2007 - 03:37:53 AM
| Name: |
Manuel Correia |
| Email address: |
alienart.pt@gmail.com |
| Comments: | This was incredible. I read through the main article and several of the links and let me tell you this: Thank You.
I am only 20 years old and so I wasn't the best and most attentive one but I discovered the wonder of their music about 3 years ago and devoured all CDs my father had (and some of the vinyls too). This was the deepest and most intelligent music I had heard. The technical part was awesome too. I don't know much about it either but it really amazed me.
I had the Division Bell CD in my bedroom for about ten years before I even listened to it. I thought the cover was great and the whole album art looked wonderful. I didn't look for any hidden meanings, but I felt it meant something to me. When I listened to it I felt there was something else I should know. I had heard nothing about the riddle.
It has so much to do with me..I am a big fan of technology, wisdom, knowledge, cyberpunk, art made with computers, communication. Pink Floyd covered that subject too, and so well.
Thank you, whoever you are. You made my day. |
Wednesday, December 12th 2007 - 04:32:55 PM
| Name: |
DoIhavetoo |
| Comments: | I just close my eyes and I hear everything. Communitation doesn't need wires. Remember Jimminy Cricket, he just stood still and everything when on around him. I'm active and interactive just because I am. Nice to meet you. DoIhavetoo.
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Saturday, October 20th 2007 - 03:55:11 AM
| Name: |
Jonathan Rossman |
| Email address: |
rossma16@msu.edu |
| Comments: | The top of the pyrimid is located at (.5,.5,sqrt(3/4)) where all sides of the base equal one. Where is the electron? |
Tuesday, October 16th 2007 - 05:00:23 AM
| Name: |
Allan Smith |
| Email address: |
allansnake@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | In the second David Gilmour solo album, there is a song called Lets get metaphysical, watch the movie the secret and youll get the answer, the division vell its a totally metaphisical album, it says be happy, socialize, stop thinking onwhat you dont want and visualiza yourself having what you want, Gilmour is millionaire and is able to do whatever he wants,thanks to the metaphisics |
Saturday, October 13th 2007 - 09:01:12 AM
| Name: |
musur |
| Comments: | i stumbled accross the enigma while looking info for PF lyrics. caught my attention immediately and i thought of involving my friends in looking for the solution. before i did that i looked into various sites about it to see if anyone had solved it. i found out no clear evidence about the solution but thought that there must be one by now. so i googled "publius enigma solved", clicked on the first link and eded up here.
your solution (right or wrong as the creator of the enigma intented, i can't tell) sounds very plausible. good job and thanks. i might have spent numerous hours reading the clues (still might), but you saved me. |
Wednesday, October 10th 2007 - 09:17:59 AM
| Name: |
Joseph Daniel |
| Email address: |
loretta_mine_28@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | Thank you for valued information, I was seeking, would be happy to return knowledge.
My freedom Journey,to find purpose.Seeking truth through,music,visual signs and interacting in chat rooms. The information collected has led me here. After listening,questioning,researching and contemplating to have understanding.
Now understanding what I have known for years,realizing my knowledge, and Theories are for me to share with those who seek with open minds, challenging our conversation to an understanding truth. Finding solutions, for purpose.
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Friday, September 14th 2007 - 08:28:03 AM
| Name: |
Mike |
| Comments: | Where did you get the diagram of Weiner's Moth or Bedbug robot?
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Wednesday, August 29th 2007 - 12:56:48 PM
| Name: |
Matthew |
| Comments: | Feedback is the answer. The whole point of the enigma was brought to light by its introduction. As more and more fans join the search to discover the answer, they must COMMUNICATE with eachother in order to come to a resolution. As the album is chiefly based around the concepts of communication and feedback, the enigma must therefore be as well. If the enigma is anything else, the whole concept would fall apart and the solution would be indecipherable. Even if feedback is not the answer, it is the key to the lock.
When early man lived in the wild, communication was necessary for survival; one man could not do everything himself, and speciallized abilities became more widespread. As such, new names for new concepts aroze, causing language to evolve:
"For millions of years man lived as the animals. Then, something miraculous happened that unleashed the power of our imaginations: we learned to talk. All we need to do is keep talking."
With this, culture rapidly developed. But in the modern age, there is less need to communicate. A person can buy everything he or she needs over the internet, filling out forms to instruct computers controlling robotic packagers to send everything by mail, to be left at the doorstep by a postman you never really know. The enigma is how to get us to communicate again.
Keep reading, keep listening. But most importantly, Keep On Talking. |
Tuesday, August 21st 2007 - 05:46:04 PM
| Name: |
Nick |
| Email address: |
generalhoo@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Thank you very much for posting this. Before I read your page, I believed 100% that it was just a bunch of random songs (a few directed solely at Waters). I came to this conclusion because I didn't think that Gilmour could write anything as complex as Water's works. After reading this and re-listening, I was proved wrong. I am not sure that I fully grasp the concept, but I no longer worship Floyd as I previously did. I respect Gilmour a lot more as well. Thank you.
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Friday, June 29th 2007 - 06:21:47 PM
| Name: |
Christopher Burns |
| Email address: |
mathematicaldeity@gmail.com |
| Comments: | hey. I read part of your interpretations on Pink Floyd music. Original, but obviously you aren't familiar with Roger Waters. Waters metaphorically referred to the music industry through his music, but it wasn't the music industry that he was singing about. Your interpretation about The Wall being a band/audience relationship is a conclusion that only somebody that has failed to listen to or get to know anything about Roger Waters would come to. His internal conflict was the government since his dad died in WWII. Hence all of these band/audience relationships that you think you see are actually referring to government/society relationships and the general detachment that a government for the people actually has for the people. Please do a little outside research. Nobody wants to hear your opinion unless it's an educated one. |
Sunday, June 24th 2007 - 11:50:55 PM
| Name: |
Alejandro Melgar |
| Email address: |
mad_dog650@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | Wow. So vast eh? The internet tht is, its actuall funny because I went on to see what The Division Bell meant. And this wasn't what I exected at all, lol.
I liked it, plu I think it's Dougla Adams too, not tht I got into that whole thing, but first hearing bout the publis thing, and reading that he gave the lbum the name, I was thinkin there was more to it, ya. But you totally had it mn, props. |
Wednesday, May 2nd 2007 - 09:59:39 AM
| Name: |
Rodger (I think) |
| Email address: |
rodgerpatrick70@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I can't really fault ant concept at all,given the propensity of intellect behind all ongoings as compared to my own futile IQ.
How i wish i as a child had read more 1930's novels
(obviously you didn't need to know that)
So,yes,i agree to the terms and conditions that this agreement has lead me to believe,although i wouldn't want as quite a keen eye moreover i like the idea of a lecture theatre,if one is still available.
i will read these pages,sorry to jump the gun with this response.
goodluck and godbless
Still Rodger (i think) |
Sunday, April 29th 2007 - 12:40:08 AM
| Name: |
Steve Lindsey |
| Email address: |
srlindsey@audioshare.net |
| Comments: | Great Read. Makes perfect sense. Why not?
There's your feedback. ;-)
Steve |
Tuesday, April 24th 2007 - 08:48:20 PM
| Name: |
jane summers |
| Email address: |
julieo2000_es@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I think your analysis is fantastic.
The feedback loop also works with groups of lightworkers...because of the 'quantum illusion', any thoughts/focus intent we put out comes back round as 'results'. We call these feedback loops.
Just my being here is one of them. Adams was a genius.
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Wednesday, April 18th 2007 - 12:06:32 PM
| Name: |
Native |
| Email address: |
Native.Samar@gmail.com |
| Comments: | Although I do agree with the microcosmic side of your analysis put forth in 'The Division Bell Concept', I do, however, tend to take Pink Floyd and Stanley Kubrick works in a macro cosmic fashion.
Hence, The Wall (micro: Berlin; macro: present history of the 20th Century, and even the possible human psyche). Just like Orwell's works can be mistakenly connected to current events in the political sphere, I'm sure you will agree that this is not so, and therefore is an imperative and crucial mistake laid onto students around the world. Orwell was speaking not only of communism, but more rightly so of democracy (democracy: of the people; democratic government: governing the mind of the people), and any other form of government, state, nation, or union.
Globalization is a single-facade phenomenon (or more truthfully, a purposefully designed 'western' creation).
And again, we hear about 'history' and how it's 'written' and 'forgotten', repeated many times. History is a one-sided story, re-engineered to fit accordingly to the parameters of the winner.
And as for the internet, yes it does open communication (feedback) to the lines of many pitted against the many. But, in a macrocosmic point of view, the Internet actually (as the Division Bell points out, and as you have suggested, though not directly) creates further control. The Internet is basically the teleport-television set we see in 1984. A window pane into the minds of individuals; to create statistics (lies) in order to control, hence govern, the mind of the people and the westernized globalization (order out of chaos) phenomenon not limited to physical borders, culture, religion, politics, opinions, etc.
Let me know what you think.
Native |
Tuesday, April 10th 2007 - 07:03:06 PM
| Name: |
dusky hue |
| Email address: |
scrat_32@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I feel this is one of the greatest publicity stunts to date. what better way to thank fans than to give them something more than just sound but to create a world wide treasure hunt where the treasure has already been given. Pink Floyd is and always will be an icon in the musical world and I can only hope to keep receiving these sonic and Psychological gifts. |
Saturday, April 7th 2007 - 02:13:45 AM
Wednesday, January 17th 2007 - 11:42:44 PM
| Name: |
Patrick Camilleri |
| Email address: |
patrick.camilleri@gmail.com |
| Comments: | Hi presently I am reading for a PhD and am working on the on the Cybernetics of Information Society. I must say that your comments are at the least....very interesting |
Monday, January 15th 2007 - 01:39:06 PM
| Name: |
Rita |
| Email address: |
isthisrita@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | Although I see all relation here, I just can't quite believe that we live in some sort of cyberspace, and are nothing more than something computed. I am a living being who exerts emotion, as opposed to this computer which doesn't do much but connect me & let me use it. |
Friday, January 12th 2007 - 11:22:24 AM
| Name: |
SilverKraken |
| Email address: |
ljpdb@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I am just getting into the whole Division Bell / Publius enigma theme, and I must say I really enjoyed your article. Althought I have an idea of all this issue and the message behind this album, I still have lots information to read and analyze. I agree with the big role that feedback has in this and how it is one of the pilars in the universe. I think that since the creation of life, feedback is what makes everything evolve and adapt in order to live in some kind of "ideal" enviroment. Regarding to the album secret the only thing that I can think of right now is about David and Roger (the angry soldier´s son???) comunicating and accepting each other and making peace.
Anyway this are just random thoughts that I have right now since this matter just came to me today and I have been spending a large time of the day on it. I´ll keep this track on this issue as it develops
Best regards from Venezuela!! |
Friday, December 8th 2006 - 08:47:47 PM
| Name: |
Chris |
| Comments: | When I heard division bell I though of the church bell.
When I read the quote "about strength in numbers......" being not so strong when the Right Man walks out, I thought about the story of Jesus in the Bible.
When I read about being controlled through goals being given to me which I accept as my own, I think of the religious person coming to my door and lecturing/informing/preaching/educating me on their god's purpose for me.
The idea of the feedback loop in my mind is actually the Law Of Cause and Effect. Sometimes the Effect becomes the Cause of another Effect....and so on and so on.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading what you wrote. |
Tuesday, November 28th 2006 - 05:42:53 AM
| Name: |
Scotch |
| Email address: |
sturgeonfishie@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | The problem with people is that they don't really listen
to each other. 95% of you will laugh at this and skip the
rest of this posting, 4% will read it and not get it,
and 1% will know.......
Listen to the songs, and when there is an instruction
to follow then follow it. Very simple, then you will
see. Listen, Look, See. There is an enigma but there
is no prize..................... |
Wednesday, October 25th 2006 - 10:45:18 PM
| Name: |
Vampyro |
| Email address: |
ash_hardcastle@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I personally believe the Enigma is anti-establishment. rise above conformity and commune with your fellow man. Don't let your country tell you who your enemies are. |
Tuesday, October 17th 2006 - 06:23:47 PM
| Name: |
Ankoor Naik |
| Email address: |
ankoor9@gmail.com |
| Comments: | IT's so amazing ...how people come up with ideas n have such a tremendous influence on hoardes n hoards of people,...
I lovedd the cluster one song...by just 2 sounds they create communication...somethin i never came accross...
and to wrap it up...words r too less n inadequate to appreciate division bell and the guys from pink floyd |
Tuesday, September 5th 2006 - 11:30:12 PM
| Name: |
Mike Gundrum |
| Email address: |
michael.gundrum@cox.net |
| Comments: | To whom it may concern, I might have a clue to whom Pubilus
might be I have a David Gilmour signed Division Bell CD cover with his signature and him writing out the names of the two statues on the cover one of the statues he called Pubilus and the other is something else its hard to read but I got it signed at the show in Arizona |
Monday, August 21st 2006 - 09:46:50 PM
Saturday, August 19th 2006 - 07:14:39 PM
| Name: |
Matt Eller |
| Email address: |
Mech2tx@msn.com |
| Comments: | Just doing my part to keep the order and delay entropy. (yes I understand) It is wonderful that people are figuring things out, we have been for thousands of years, but one thing I believe is as equally important as feedback, is children. Why are children not taught this? Communication would STOP violence, because if you start on the same page, differences can be resolved by common origin. I suppose it is a slow process though, this evolotion. -M@ |
Monday, August 7th 2006 - 05:54:02 PM
| Name: |
Greg |
| Email address: |
ghwest@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I am a fan (but not time or knowledgebably invested enough to be called a super fan) of Pink Floyd.
I would answers to this riddle be submitted?
If the answer was submitted, would it be judged and commented on its correctness?
If you were to actually complete and solve the riddle, would everyone else be notified that it is solved or is the solution the reward and it is waiting for all to solve it.
I really enjoyed your site and your theory. Thank you! |
Tuesday, July 18th 2006 - 07:12:24 PM
Thursday, July 6th 2006 - 02:16:21 AM
| Name: |
Zé Raeiro |
| Email address: |
press@raeiro.com |
| Comments: | This is very cool. I love Douglas and had never heard about this before. Maybe I'll listen more carefully to this album. Never thought Pink Floyd were into cybernetics. At least with this depth. Cheers. |
Wednesday, June 14th 2006 - 09:38:04 AM
| Name: |
bumhug |
| Comments: | If I don't promise you the answers would you go
Do you think that I know something you don't know
The music and concepts of Pink Floyd always threatened to provide answers to the great mysteries. The first line of the above lyric suggests if Gilmour provides a Pink Floyd album without such a promising aspect then would the lunatics/obsessives eventually go away?
I suspect the very vehicle(DSOTM) which launched the guys into superstardom is the same vehicle that attracts the world wide weirdos like a shit-magnet from hell.
No wonder they were reclusive... |
Friday, June 2nd 2006 - 04:59:19 PM
| Name: |
Steven Criss |
| Email address: |
Papachris-201@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | "Ill continue to hang, on the Tensile Threads Of Time,then
See you in the cosmos and Ill cut the Threads Myself."
-S.C. |
Thursday, May 25th 2006 - 05:16:30 PM
| Name: |
Sukanya |
| Email address: |
ginnjam@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | The Division Bell-the bell that rings in the inward ears of a human being enlightening him with the fact that there exists an undeniable divion between the REAL and the UNREAL-the only two realms of life and the mortal world.
Interpretation of the song "high hopes"- with the imagery of a dying soldier at the end of a lost battle.
“Behold that land we’ve long left behind … for something that meant everything to our lives, something that revealed the purpose of our existence” says the soldier on the verge of death, lying in the bloody mire, reeking of death. His thoughts drift to the times when as a child, he and his friends believed in “magnets and miracles”-the world of make belief. Those were the days when they left their minds to experience endless stream of consciousness.
But after “the division bell” had rung in their minds, they recognized the division between the Real and the Unreal. They realized that the true meaning of their lives could be found out only by moving towards the realm of the world that was Real. They decided to choose the difficult path of serving the nation as soldiers.
His thoughts now drift to the time when the enemy followed them and took away all there dreams of winning the war. The only creatures empathizing with them were the “small creatures” on the ground, apparently asking them to be one with them-one with the earth they were lying on-taking them away to eternal peace by “slow decay”.
As the sun sets down the horizon throwing across the battle field its golden hue, the grass on the other side literally as well as figuratively looks greener. He remembers those days when hope and anxiety showed them the path towards a brighter future. Also before he dies his pupils slowly constrict and he sees only narrow beam of light at the end of dark tunnel like pathway. So he believes that when he was alive with all his enthusiasm, he was in the other side of life of bright light. The presence of his friends around him comforts his state of mind as he is dying in the company of loved ones. Those nights of wonder and anxiety of what will happen next, are all gone.
The bridges are burning and everywhere else there is fire, destruction and death, looking beyond which the soldier imagines the land of peaceful life. There’s an underlying sense of despair in his expression as he realizes that his time is over and there is nothing more he could do on this planet earth. That is why the concept of greenery and life is so appealing to him-something he can no longer get or even dream of.
He reaches this state of divine enlightenment which tells him that all the steps they took for war resulted in nothing but destruction and death of innocent lives, and he realizes that the war too was not Real. They all have to sleepwalk back again to become one with dust.
The only thing that was real was his love for his nation and his love for his friends which were unparalleled.
Today their “weary eyes still stray to the horizon” hoping to capture the last few rays of the sun in their hearts to rejuvenate themselves because even though they know its their ending they still want to treasure their desire and ambition. He’s moving into a trance and hopes to reach “the dizzy heights of that dreamed of world” where he is beyond all the pain and suffering of the mortal world.
As he’s breathing for the last time the blood on the ground he lies on, no longer tastes bitter, “the taste was sweeter” ,the river keeps flowing , earth moves on with its daily chores…he sees the dawn of the new world he slowly enters, the world that welcomes him after death…while everything else moves on “forever and ever”.
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Tuesday, May 9th 2006 - 08:04:28 PM
| Name: |
Sheriff |
| Comments: | I think you are correct but they will never admit it because of author's rights (see Da Vinci Code court story)
That's sad because I feel like you deserve something for finding this (like meeting David Gilmour for a dinner or something :)) |
Saturday, March 25th 2006 - 05:02:15 PM
| Name: |
Manuel Montaño |
| Email address: |
manolonas@gmail.com |
| Comments: | Lo ironico y triste en esta era, es que mientras la tecnologia facilita la comunicacion y acorta las distancias, mas lejos estamos los unos de los otros en ideas y sentimientos. |
Wednesday, March 15th 2006 - 06:34:54 PM
| Name: |
Synaptic Axon |
| Email address: |
synaptic_axon@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Fascinating explanation of The Division Bell. Thank you for creating this wonderful resource that I hope inspires others as it has inspired me.
I'm a professional computer programmer/analyst and sometimes get so wrapped up in the details of what we're all doing here, I forget about the bigger picture. It seems clear that Wiener's work can still encourage different modes of perception and thought even today. Oddly enough, it reveals processes we are already doing but simply overlook because they are so ubiquitous.
You should consider adding a link to selected publications on Amazon.com. I would certainly click through a link here to buy recommended books if I knew you would benefit for introducing these ideas in such a clear way.
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Wednesday, February 22nd 2006 - 12:40:11 AM
Monday, February 20th 2006 - 03:17:08 AM
| Name: |
Lori Kurasz |
| Email address: |
Ohboymilost@aol.com |
| Comments: | I read through this site and I have to say it all sound like this is what Pink Floyd was trying to say.
But I just want to share this with people. I find this very entertaining.
As for the "flaming" Let me tell you that in The Movie Alice In Wonderland the hooka smoking catepiller blows a bullseye and in the center it is on fire.
Then the Floyd art I have seen that contains a target. Hum?
Anyhow this is what I found...
You have all heard how you are to watch Alice in Wonder Land to Pink Floyds, The Wall 1 & 2. (Minus the best song on the album, Comfortably Numb.)
This is ok. Sure there are some things that synch up. But half way through I started to lose interest. I let it play through; I got my reward at the last 3 songs. Very entertaining!
But something wasn't right with it as a whole. I started pondering on all the things I've been reading on Floyd and synchronicities. I saw a web site that asked some of these questions for The Division Bell...
1) Why is there a concentration of 3 on this album? (My answer is, look up numerology! The number 3 represents idealism, higher education, foreign travel, and religion. It is a number of optimism, movement, expansion, and the Holy Trinity of the body, mind and spirit.)
*The 3rd lion roar?
* The 3 guys with banners? (Soon you will be talking about 2 guys holding banners.)
*The 3 observatories?
* 3 clicks to go home?
2) What about the monkeys in Keep Talking?
3) Sleeping flowers? ( In Alice on the division wall she is making a daisy chain. Also In first song a line says, “Do you want me to make a daisy chain for you”)
4) The Division Bell? ( Division meaning, between the 2 CD’s?)
I was inspired to play The Division Bell with Alice in Wonder land.
I used Walt Disney's Classic Gold Collection, version of Alice in Wonder Land. Pink Floyd - The Division Bell and disc 2 of The Wall, the last 2 songs, The Trial and Outside The Wall.
This is my favorite way to watch it, and was the first way I tried it. Being a believer of the, after the 3rd lion roar start, for Wiz of Oz and The Dark Side of the Moon, synch up.
Set up: For the CD's I suggest a burn of Division Bell and the Wall's last 2 songs. A lot less pausing hassle. But for those of you that can't do that, load Division Bell and Wall 2 in CD player. Starting with The Division Bell CD, press play and pause right away.
Now for the movie, you will see at the beginning of the movie a 2 and 3 card holding a banner between them. As soon as they disappear unpause the CD. Sit back, relax and get ready to say, COOL!
Be sure to let the song High Hopes (#11) play completely to the end! Very important. As soon as this song ends, pause the movie. Switch to The Wall disc 2 song 12, press play and pause CD. As soon as you are ready, unpause both CD and movie at the same time.
Try to forget how it should line up like it would if you've seen it with just The Wall CD's. This is a whole new and different experience. Relax and just let it happen. Be open of mind. Leave that pause button alone!
The CD ends when you see the 2 and 3 cards holding the banner at the end of movie!
What did you see? Did you possibly try to turn up the movie as soon as it got quiet after song #11 through to the next song? (This is where the burn helps.) Were they talking about a TRIAL?
I am not going to say exactly what you will see because I swear, with all the times I've done this, it is slightly different, and is cool no matter how it lines up! But I will tell you what I have tried and things I have seen.
I tried starting at different spots, very interesting!
* Try starting CD at the BLACK screen right after they ask you to join them after the movie for extras. (They are showing a black and white seen with the walrus.)
* Start CD as soon as they show the Feature Presentation screen.
* Start CD as soon as it goes black between the Feature Presentation screen and the 2 and 3 banner holders.
* Start CD as soon as you see the banner holding cards.
* Start CD 2 seconds after you see the banner guys. (After all there is a 2 card being shown.)
* Start CD 3 seconds after the banner guys. (For the 3 card being shown.)
*Heck try starting any time you want while the banner guys are there! I have!
Oh, the wonders I have seen and been entertaining my friends with!
Things I have seen.
While you watch there are many ways to experience it. Characters say words and some lines to the Floyd songs. No matter how you watch it. Please refrain from trying to match it up. It will automatically work out! Trust me.
Some of the things I've seen synch. Up, with the different ways of playing it.
* Song 2, What Do You Want from Me, the first line, "As you look around this room tonight." Is Alice in a round room? (Note she just fell in a tunnel,) Or can you say she is looking around the room?
"Settle in your seats and dim the lights" Alice sits in the rocking chair.
In this song listen to the words, they fit with what is going on. These are all things the door could be saying to Alice. Matter of a fact I have seen the door say many lines in this song. Once he even asked Alice "What do you want from me?" A few times with the song. Another time I seen him say "Did you know?"
Remember I said to play and watch it in many different ways.
* Song 3, nice sailing music. There are times you will see the Dodo bird say a few words. Depending on the way you play it. How about the line "And that you'd never lose that light in your eyes." the words lose that light have matched up when the Dodo lifts the burning flames.
In the line that says, "Leading the blind while I stared out the steel in you eyes." Leading the blind is said as Alice comes out of the water and is sitting on a birds face. Looks like she could be leading the blinded bird?
Notice how the circus music in the song matches with Twiddle Dee and Dumb! They have been seen singing, and dancing to the words and music at times. They've punched each other with the baby cries in the song. Also have seen them punching each other with the bell sounds.
Great no matter how it lines up.
Do the sun and moon sing lines at times? Do they sway to the music?
* Song 4, Note the name, "Marooned" The walrus is leading the baby oysters out of the sea, so they are more or less MAROONED! During this song if you have the closed caption on you see the walrus is singing a song and he says the words, "Weather PIGS have wings?" Floyd or what?
I have seen the walrus playing his cane and it matches up with the high pitched guitar in the song, almost sounds like a flute. I've seen the Man building his diner to the music, and not building to the music. It always seems to work out no matter how you play it.
* Song 5, title "A great day for freedom" In this part of the movie the Dodo bird seems to think that when the lizard shows up, they can get Alice free from the rabbit’s home. When that fails he thinks of burning her out. I bet Alice is thinking, this would be a great day for freedom. Yes, that's right, play on words in the titles and song lines. You got it now? You will amuse yourselves.
Let your body, mind, and spirit, be moved to expand itself, to a higher education of idealism with Pink Floyds intellect of both written & oral expression!
The first line of the song, "On the day the wall came down" hay, isn’t that a brick wall in front of the white rabbit’s house?
* Song 6, “Wearing the inside out.” There is one way you can play it and that drum banging flower matches exactly to a heavier drum beat that’s played after the 1st time the words “I’m wearing the inside out” are sung.
Other wise see how the rocking horse fits to the music? The Rose with the wand? Did the chimes match up with her wand waving? Are they singing words and lines with Floyd? I've seen the dog barking on the word spoke in the line, "it's been so long since he spoke." and also barking while the line, "the words right from my mouth" plays, and on the word "speak", in the line "Just give it time then speak my name." It all depends on how you decide to watch it.
I seen Alice get water dumped on her head as the words, “he’s starting to choke” are sang. I know “he’s” don’t match.
Hey, aren't those lily pad jumping frogs a drum and cymbal. Do you hear the drum and cymbal in the music? Cleaver!
In this song they mention clouds could it be from the clouds of smoke coming from the hookah smoking caterpillar’s smoke.
What about the line "I'm holding out," He never offers to share what ever he has in his hookah with Alice!
* Song 7, Take It Back. First line, "Her love rains down on me easy as a breeze." I've seen the words "Rain down on me match up to when the rabbit turns the umbrella upside down and water rains down on him!
The line, "Burning with rage and desire" I’ve seen when the caterpillar blows a bull’s eye target and the bull’s eye is fire. This same fire bull’s eye also has lined up with the word fire in the line,” the earth was on fire."
The line "Now I've seen the warnings, screaming from all side" Could this fit for around the time Alice is taking a piece of mushroom from both side of the mushroom, and she is trying to decide which she should try. Then after she tries and grows real tall and then takes a bite from the other side she shrinks; now she wizens up to how she needs to be careful with the amount that she takes. So she licks the mushroom to get the proper amount to match her desired height.
Line "All this temptation, it turned my faith to lies." Temptation of consuming things (Drugs) or is it the temptation of all the signs hung on the trees, that are leading her to not have faith to the lies?
Goes both ways don't it? Powerful ponderings.
* Song 9, “Keep talking.” Where do I start? In the first line it says, "For millions of years mankind lived just like animals." Ok, depending on what way you are watching at the time this line is said, you may find yourself hearing things with the "For millions of years" part. I swear, once it sounded like it said "We're pulling some ears," as the Crazy rabbit pulls the White rabbit’s ear and hollers into it!
Then another time I thought it said, "We're pulling some gears." as the mad hatter starts to pull gears out of the white rabbits watch! Truly freaky!
See, you need to watch this many times and by starting it at different times, to try to see what I have all seen.
* Song 10, "Lost for words", The cat has opened the door for Alice on these words,"So I open the door to my enemies." After all, the cat seams to always help Alice get in to trouble. Wouldn't you call that enemies?
* Song 11, High Hopes. This line I found amusing to line up different ways, "But they tell me to go f__k myself.” Once I seen the cat say this! Once it was said while the cat put both of his hands over his crotch. Looked like he gave Alice a visual for the words! Very funny!
But sometimes it don't line up with anything at all.
* The Wall part 2 CD.
OK, this changes depending on where you pause it and start it with the changing CD's.
I have let the CD player advance it to next CD and then skipped to song 12, while letting the movie play. What do you know it still seems to work out?
* Song 12 "TheTrial", I've seen the Queen of hearts say SH-T, from the line, "You little sh-t you're in it now."
*Song,13 "Outside the wall." I've seen Alice look out through the key hole at herself, at the words, "Outside the wall"
line, "some hand in hand". Alice seams to have her hands folded under her sleeping cat.
Line, Some gathered in bands." The queen and all the other people chasing her are a band!
I have seen The lady at the end says darn near all the words from "the bleeding hearts and artists" to the last word said. WOOH!
Say did you also notice Song 11, last one on Division Bell, then Song 12 on the Wall. No missed numbers.
I have also tried starting at the song "STOP" #11 on The Wall part 2, CD, and let it play to the end. It tends to work out too! Far out!
But as I said a burn is a great uninterrupted way to enjoy this. Especially if you use the first way I suggest to start it.
I plan on watching this many more times!
Now I want to discuss numbers. So what’s up with the cards in this movie? Notice the cards are only numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4? I haven't seen any higher than that.
They tend to show the 2, and 3 together, or the 4 and 1 together or side by side.
Beginning and end there are the 2, and 3 cards holding a banner.
I tried starting the movie at 2 seconds after seeing the cards holding the banner, (for the 2 card) and then tried another time watching it starting 3 seconds after the banner guys. (for the 3 card) I still need to watch it starting 5 seconds after the banner guys yet. Get it 2 + 3 = 5.
There are 5 band members.
I thought back to the numerology. I looked up the numbers 1- 5. Interesting. I used a Linda Goodman book.
Here’s what I found.
1) Represents creativity, protection, and benevolence. It is the original action, the initiating basis of all numbers.
2) Represents imagination, parenthood, and sensitivity. It’s the number of conception, childbirth and deems.
3) Represents idealism, higher education, foreign travel, and religion. It's the number of optimism, movement, expansion, and the Holy Trinity of the body, mind, and spirit.
4) Represents individualism. Originality, inventiveness, and tolerance. It is the number of unconventional behavior and sudden, unexpected events -- also of genius.
5) Represents communication, movement, and versatility. It is the number of the intellect and in both written and oral expression.
Once you get to 6 it don't seem to go with the whole Pink Floyd experience! Am I on to something here? It's my suggestion!
I'm sure you will agree with me about how great this all works out.
You might forget all about Alice On The Wall and say from now on it is ALICE ON THE DIVISION WALL!
Too many things line up to say it isn't so, and in so many different ways too!
I have watched this close to a dozen times now and it keeps changing with how I choose to start it. Haven't seen it the same way twice yet. I plan on watching this many more times.
But as I said a burn is a great uninterrupted way to enjoy this. Especially if you use the first way I suggest starting.
Note the movie is 75 minutes long. The Division Bell with the last 2 songs from The Wall, is a little over 74 minutes long.
Heck, even little kids enjoyed watching this with Pink Floyd. A friend’s four year old daughter watched it with us and she asked why her movie didn't have this music to it? She thought it was on the movie. I told her what I did, since then she asked to watch it that way 2 times now, she loves it.
Sincerely, lori.kooroz
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Tuesday, February 14th 2006 - 12:29:11 PM
| Name: |
Theresa |
| Email address: |
erm_potatos_2@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I found this site on google looking for a "Pink Floyd the Wall" picture, i found one that i LOVE and NEED! but when i clicked "See full-size image" all it said was "Image hosted by angelfire" and it pissed me off! i need this picture! its of the broken white wall with the hammers in the background and it says "Pink Floyd the Wall" on it. i like this site. PLEASE send me the picture!!! |
Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 10:18:40 PM
| Name: |
Reece Kelly |
| Email address: |
tennislaura06@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Thats a pretty well done concept you have here i personally dont like thinking its all about comunication when i listen to the division bell. I too have spent a lot of time thinking of what it means. I've studied the booklet along with the lyrics i have come up with these ideas (they might not all mean something though) First atthe end of Take it Back it states "I couldn't see the danger or hear the rising tide" -meaning he drowned. While on the next page in Comeing Back to Life we see a body laying on a beach (clearly dead)and someone helping them so theres a connection right there , im sure you've realized that though. Also i dont know if this as anything or not but in A Great Day for Freedom "sifts like desert sand" and on Marooned the picture looks like sand and yet again there is sand on the beach (thats probably nothing)i could swear there are others i thought of but my mind is blank at the moment .
One last thing I'd like to say is that (nothing againt you and your opinon) but when ever i listen to the division bell or any Pink Floyd album/song i dont like thinking that there is a message behind it i just like listening to the music and leting my mind wonder and i think they deliberately do that ,to leave it up to you to give life to thier music and thats why i love them . Feel free to write me back |
Thursday, February 2nd 2006 - 03:34:57 AM
| Name: |
ryan wehr |
| Email address: |
Dside@aol.com |
| Comments: | well done. you took a brilliant concept and broke it down from all angles. I also think there was alot to do with the ( communication thing between the band though out the years. ) its a classic example of how bands used to be back in the day. Music today is just to comercal. There is just not as much creative focus in music today. |
Monday, January 30th 2006 - 02:39:53 AM
| Name: |
bj winter |
| Email address: |
aphx2n@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Good Work!
Keep Talking...
Remember not to focus too much energy on one thing, because there are many levels of consciousness piled ontop of each other in everything Pink Floyd does.
Blind faith is also focusing too much energy on one thing after all.
We must first recognise all of the pieces of the puzzle, in order to determine how the pieces go together, and in turn recognize what the true shape and form of the puzzle is.
The grand scheeme of thing is too large for our singular, simple minds to concieve. But, collectively, through communication, we may just figure it out.
Keep Talking...
Good Work!
Bj |
Monday, January 23rd 2006 - 04:38:06 AM
| Name: |
Ricardo Sanchez |
| Email address: |
rickysango@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I grew up with the idea (tradicionaly accepted)that it would never come that they when man will tell to the sun..."get out, it's my turn to shine the light"
Congratulations, very good page, comments and information. |
Wednesday, January 11th 2006 - 06:21:34 PM
Sunday, January 8th 2006 - 05:55:21 PM
| Name: |
Jay Caplan |
| Email address: |
elgoat_jay@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I think time and sequence are indivisible. Sequence requires motion from 0 to 1 to 0 to 1; without a temporal dimension a sequence is a portrait. Merleau- Ponty said people are caught up against the future pushed up by the past, the present a thin window of being which is identical to the lived experience of the body. All thought and feedback depend on sequence, a binary, and i think the initial binary that precedes awareness is 'now' and 'then'. |
Sunday, January 8th 2006 - 05:52:12 PM
| Name: |
D. L. Wood |
| Comments: | You thought way too much of thihs. |
Wednesday, January 4th 2006 - 03:48:46 AM
| Name: |
John Davis |
| Email address: |
illustratedman7@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Years ago a freind of mine introduced me to the "Division Bell" album and I took the album at face value and liked it for it's musical aspect alone. Only lately have I looked deeper into the concept of exactly what this "Division Bell" is in relation to the whole album concept. The Parliamentary division bells were my first thoughts, but there were some things that have not made much sense at all until I came upon your website and it has given me a lot of food for thought. I strongly disagree with the notion that the search is just a wild goose chase, though. I think that "Publius" is alluding to something that is globally powerful, such as the vastness of the internet's scope in acheiving ultimate communication perimeters, or even the concept of something aesthetic becoming tangible: our thoughts into visible actions, etc. An extreme example of what I am trying to convey is perhaps seen in the concept of a man being a "statement" in and of himself and when he expresses himself, verbally, he is communicating what his "statement" represents. In the Bible, Jesus was the 'Word made flesh'. God's tangible expression in one person? Who knows WHAT the meaning of the enigma is? I just think that Pink Floyd has more invested in the albums concept that just "oh, let's give the fans a puzzle". |
Thursday, December 29th 2005 - 06:14:49 AM
| Name: |
jackinson |
| Comments: | i think that you have made a nice analysis. congratulations. |
Monday, December 26th 2005 - 11:44:21 AM
| Name: |
Keen Akron |
| Comments: | I'm not a "die hard" PF fan, but i like his music and of course, i get hooked with the "Publius Enigma" from the day i read about it. However, i find very usefull and ilustrative your page. Further more. Your analisis about the communication and all the stuff that you give us are so much interstandig than the publius enigma itself.
I like very much your page ... really!
Since the "publius enigma" was never solved and was(as it seems)a marketing strategy, could you tell me (if you know) what was the more acuracy response about it?
Best regards.
Keen Akron |
Friday, December 23rd 2005 - 06:05:45 PM
| Name: |
Nuno Borja Santos |
| Email address: |
n.borja.santos@netcabo.pt |
| Comments: | Why haven't Pink Floyd released a new album or toured again? Haven't they received enough feedback from the "You"? Or they just don't want to comunicate any more? |
Saturday, December 17th 2005 - 07:34:17 PM
| Name: |
Jesse Stacey |
| Email address: |
j4jes@yahoo.ca |
| Comments: | Here are some relevant questions for your site that makes me wonder if it was conjured by Publius himself (it was Douglas Adams that old prankster all along!!) The division bell might of been inspired by Norbert Weiner, Cybernetics, communication or lack of in the digital age etc but on the grand scheme it isn't much different than their “We don't need no education / leave those kids alone” 1970's ideology. High Hopes wraps it all up at the end of the album in ways that Alice Cooper could of only dreamed of. As kids they couldn't escape the inevitable ring of the school bell as children and the institutionalized thought it brought along with it that left them in a state of mental decay. This is the "division" set in their minds to pacify growth, like a splinter in their minds driving them mad (sorry for the pop culture there) and before this injection the grass was greener, the lights were brighter, the endless river of entropy where we return, where we all belong. Ultimately the song plays on the value of innocence in a world of unfortunate institutionalized control and the potential cultivated from a mental state that is untouched and has the right to evolve freely in whatever direction wished upon, under a starlit night of wonder. ESP anyone? The landmark or “plateau” of genetic evolution is consciousness; a gift granted by yours truly mother earth in hopes that we may one day be co-creators, instead of human virii. What Leary forgot during his LSD induced states is that to unlock the potential of that other unused 90% of our brain and tap into such arcane mystical wonders as telekinesis, ESP, astral projection, and all those weird things that existed in ancient genetically balanced worlds, these waves and auras do not pass through fiber-optic lines. While it is true that the web can be the freedom of information superhighway that institutionalized education lacked, it too can be a contamination split/division bell, and the end of programming within our adaptable DNA which stretches throughout our bodies longer than Pluto’s orbit. We do not have to accept our fate as viruses and locusts that destroy. We have the ability for greatness but is entropy the need for disorder, or order in a human free super organism? |
Tuesday, December 13th 2005 - 07:11:18 AM
| Name: |
Jesse Stacey |
| Email address: |
j4jes@yahoo.ca |
| Comments: | How could Douglas Adams have decided the "Division Bell" album title if much of the album's lyrics that make mention of the Division Bell had already been conceived. Why would Gilmour contribute 5000 pounds to anyone for a name that was already inspired by reading Wiener and already in the songs? |
Tuesday, December 13th 2005 - 06:03:56 AM
Sunday, December 4th 2005 - 02:59:36 AM
| Name: |
Iliko |
| Email address: |
ilikouri@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | My name is Ilia Uridia Im from Republic Of georgia tbilisi and im pink floyds fan Im 16 years ald.it is very interesting but its very difficult to understand i think they are truing to say something about aour past and future maby its about our religion.? but the one thing that i can say that there is something very importand in division ball and we have to do everithing to check it out more clearly. thank you very much for the information. |
Thursday, November 24th 2005 - 09:36:53 PM
Thursday, November 24th 2005 - 07:57:40 AM
| Name: |
Alessandro Leonis Lopes |
| Comments: | Great site, great text. Made me think about a lot of things... |
Tuesday, November 15th 2005 - 05:46:06 AM
| Name: |
Jignesh |
| Comments: | The Info on the site was really amazing : indepth,believable,supported by ample anecdotes.truelya good interpretation. Keep thr gr8 work goin...regards.Jignesh |
Monday, October 31st 2005 - 04:40:09 PM
| Name: |
hhq137 |
| Comments: | Thanks for this web site, i enjoyed it! |
Tuesday, October 25th 2005 - 03:45:11 AM
| Name: |
Ben |
| Comments: | Fantastic, long live pink floyd |
Thursday, September 8th 2005 - 07:38:21 AM
| Name: |
Giorgio |
| Email address: |
kiwibon@cox.net |
| Comments: | Is the relationship of Roger Waters and Dave Gillmore suppose to be an enigma?
Their music and communication style seems to be so intune, giving us the impression that they know that they're great together, perhaps I'm overprasing their talents and mystic attitudes |
Saturday, September 3rd 2005 - 09:59:34 PM
| Name: |
Morghen |
| Email address: |
morghen1999@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | This interesting article has made my day, making me think a lot and it's quite funny you also ask for feedback, even if, well - mine isn't exactly so useful at the moment. So I stop wasting your time and thank you a lot for the nice reading.
Morghen |
Sunday, July 31st 2005 - 11:21:59 PM
| Name: |
suspended soul |
| Email address: |
suspendedsoul@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Thanks for this site. I had no idea about the real point of the last PF disc. I've listened to the music, loved some of it (Marooned especially), been bored or disappointed by some of it and can't respond to some of it. That's a normal experience for me when listening to this band, especially after my mind and heart parted ways with them when I got clean of drugs in 1980. This fellow Norbert Weiner sounds interesting, but what really got my attention in this site was your mention of the writer Philip K. Dick.
All this business about Publius and the enigma... a lot of bollocks. I gave up all this sort of thing when I decided to clean out the chemicals and grow up. But I guess it made a lot of money for old King Dave. With whom I'd much prefer to spend a pleasant afternoon in the company of a few nickering horses at the back of the pasture than in an auditorium trying to get The Big Pink Floyd Message.
But then I've already got a life now that I'm off the dose.
I hope he's enjoyed this message.
Peace on him, and on you, and the big cosmic "you". |
Wednesday, July 27th 2005 - 10:10:07 AM
| Name: |
john |
| Email address: |
stratocaster8@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I think you pretty much nailed it. Great work. To me, there was never an enigma per se...i was just really into the ALTERNATE tuning on the guitar during Poles Apart.
That was the feedback I was looking for. |
Thursday, July 14th 2005 - 08:33:54 AM
| Name: |
Jerry |
| Email address: |
husker59@bellsouth.net |
| Comments: | Wow. This gives me a lot to think about and a lot of reference material to investigate. |
Friday, July 8th 2005 - 11:27:15 PM
| Name: |
potter |
| Comments: | I don't know who will read this or how long after i type this some one will read it, but ill just lket it fly.
ive just recently got into pink floyd. my fater died when i wwas young (3 years old) and that alone still troubles me today. the greif and remorse i feel over that loss is staggering, but i feel like i can survive it. i mean i have to , right? anyways back to my point, i herd and watched the wall not four years after his death, i was only sevn or so, (not even in school yet.) it scared the hell out of me! i mean, i was tarammatised for years after that! well my life gets a little more hazzy when i start with the drugs. i smoke weed rituallisticly, and i have for almost a year now intentionally overdosed on robotussin to get high. the thing about dxm,(the active ingredeint in most cough medacines,) is that it takes away the fear of emotion. you can look at any situation, and think of the apropreite feeling associated with it , but you don't nessicarilly get overwhelmed by them. well although i do not suggest to evr try it, it changed my life in good ways and bad. i listened to the wall, (I still have the vinly version) and faced my fears of confusion. i downloaded the division bell illeagaly( sorry rog!) just to check it out, and by far it is the cd that has touched base with me the most. (other than the obvious relationship with the wall, father's death, overbearing mother, fears of nazis (j/k about the nazis)) (<---- can i do that?) the song inside out is the perfect way to described tripping of this stuff, you slowly become an alein to the human race, you are emotionless, but you have a great understanding of why things are. sorry about the rant, i just figgured the floyd fans would lend an ear (this bleeding heart is not beating much) |
Thursday, July 7th 2005 - 06:44:49 PM
| Name: |
glenn condrey |
| Email address: |
jcondrey@midsouth.rr.com |
| Comments: | You're an idiot. Gilmour's songs were about Roger.
"Sell your sould for complete control....." Who in Pink Floyd ever insised on being in complete control?
The album is a collection of various moods... almost in the tradition of the stages of dying thing.
First there is righteous anger, some bombs launched the other direction (at Waters) and finally remorse for what was lost after all these year.
Go back and listen to the record again. |
Saturday, June 25th 2005 - 12:54:10 PM
| Name: |
Drakken |
| Comments: | I think your analysis is amazingly astute... however I'm still not sure it's correct.
Just like Dark Side of The Moon synchronizes with The Wizard Of Oz in places, this theory seems to fit the meaning and inclination of The Division Bell nicely - but does that mean it's the only interpretation? Does that mean we should stop listening, reading, thinking, and communicating? |
Friday, June 24th 2005 - 02:33:36 PM
| Name: |
andy |
| Email address: |
andyfu5@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | This site has brought much insight to my ideas and is an ideal MUST READ for pink floyd fans that want meaning and to have their own creative thoughts. Thanks |
Saturday, May 28th 2005 - 03:32:04 PM
| Name: |
Andrew |
| Email address: |
lm222@mail.ru |
| Comments: | Thank You For This Information. Very Interesting And Studly!
Thanks!
(sorry for errors in english wrighting. i'am from Russia.) |
Sunday, April 3rd 2005 - 04:33:35 PM
| Name: |
Adam |
| Comments: | Interesting. Norbert Wiener, a founder of communication theory, often so lost in thought, he would walk into classrooms full of students, oblivious to their presence.
I like the analysis of this website - well done.
Adam, MIT |
Monday, March 14th 2005 - 04:25:27 AM
| Name: |
Smitty |
| Email address: |
oceanvue@msn.com |
| Comments: | There was no mention of the "Division Bell" in the British Parliament in your discussion. Doesn't the communicating of yesses and noes count for something in this examination? |
Thursday, March 10th 2005 - 10:44:52 PM
| Name: |
Dras |
| Comments: | Hi. I love the site. Thanks so much for providing this place and oppurtunity to contribute to the project. I think the idea's are door openers in this sight. I have just discovered the Division Bell and a time in my life when it seemed to speak something great to me. The album and its lyrics and emotion spoke to that part of me thats preoccupied and tied up in my language. and the whole attitude i would have to have in order to keep that negative feedback loop of internalised communication going... cuz if you keep your thoughts observations etc inside and try to answer them with some other voice... its too easy, its too sugar coated, not real. And the album was saying song after song to me... break out break out. its OK we, are there too, we've got no answer... you just gotta keep going. And then its so appropriate at the end with the whole childhood reference, cuz it really was easiest to be happy back then, wasnt it? well it was for me. or i understood it on such a simpler level that it was great. So whats next? we are in the age of expanding our communication and building new bridges connecting the same doors... the same kinds of perceptions? is this all good? isn't it too much information? isnt the brain overloaded with information? half of it false? doesnt that trick the brain? dont you start weeding out information? isnt that a drain, doesnt that make one the constant sceptic which in turn makes life that much harder? in the end, life is life and you might as well enjoy it for what it is on all its levels. from the 1 and 0 to the laptop and all that it can bring to your finger tips... but heres the thing... the human seems to dissapear. a person is no longer a person but a person belonging to one of many informational catagories... maybe Im wrong about this, but i dont like the idea... well, good night. |
Saturday, February 26th 2005 - 09:54:48 AM
| Name: |
John Scarbrough |
| Email address: |
johnps02@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I must admit that it all ties together rather nicely! It even makes a strange kind of sense to me. I wish I could get ahold of the book so that I might read it. I feel as if my journey isn't complete without it. |
Thursday, February 24th 2005 - 01:01:08 AM
| Name: |
Alejandro |
| Email address: |
cucabongo@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I wrote from Argentina.
Im 22 years old.
I recently know about the publius enigma.
Im very very surprised.
All mi life I have been a huge fan of PF.
In the Net I didnt found information about the
date of the last messagge of publius.
I really want to know that info.
I gonna be very grateful if I receive an answer of you.
Pardon my english, it must be terrible.
I really hope that someone read this an reply me.
Please.
Thanx.
Alejandro, from Argentina.
day 15, month 1, year 2005
|
Tuesday, February 15th 2005 - 09:06:15 AM
| Name: |
Psyche |
| Email address: |
shadecho84@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I found all this information fascinating. It drew a great deal of connections that I had no idea existed. Given all this information, consider media that DO NOT provide feedback or establish two-way communication (i.e. television). I believe these are the media that steer us toward entropy. Postman evinces this in his book. |
Monday, January 24th 2005 - 02:02:25 AM
| Name: |
Neha |
| Comments: | Brilliant.
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Sunday, January 2nd 2005 - 02:57:43 PM
| Name: |
see emily play |
| Email address: |
josiepixy@msn.com |
| Comments: | very interesting stuff |
Wednesday, December 8th 2004 - 12:51:55 PM
| Name: |
Ourobouros |
| Comments: | Excellent work.
We are part of a single animate system. "Gods", if you will.
Pick a psychedelic musician, spiritual leader, waitress or a bum on the street who has the right look in his eyes. They are all telling you the same thing:
We are components of a single living system. Threads in a living weave, only waiting to realize it and then get out there and DO something!
The medium is the message and the enigma is the search for answers itself.
|
Monday, November 29th 2004 - 12:44:20 AM
| Name: |
Cody Hobbs |
| Email address: |
crhobbs42@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | As I like to concider myself a fairly large pink floyd fan (large in admiration, not in gearth, as a matter of fact, I am a wrather small fellow) this enigma, the message, I have only been on the path for two days, and have digested a load of information, and have much more to intake, including a stop at my public library. I will post again later when the information has been more fully absorbed. |
Thursday, November 25th 2004 - 07:50:25 AM
| Name: |
Susanna |
| Email address: |
soozpj@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | All you need is keep the sure that you're real and if you're talking, you're REALLY talking.
PF sing. They know they're singing, and that's the real secret. Find answers is not necessary. Talk to yourself and make your own world, cause you all alone, and there's no one in the world, like the eye in Pulse says. The light makes another way of you, another vision of world and everything is created by yourself. Nothing is real, is all about you. |
Monday, October 25th 2004 - 07:25:19 PM
| Name: |
subhadip |
| Email address: |
subho_24@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | Hi,
It is very hard to say exatly in words as to what I think about division bell concept.I can say and keep on saying and still it is like I am very there but not exatly reached the point.
Like as if I am travelling from place A to place B and always travelling half of the distance.So although I go very near to B, I am still seperated by a distance.
I think to put in simple words the Division Bell and many other of Pink Floyd songs ignites a certain kind of conciousness.It is when you start becoming concious about your conciousness.
And since I personally believe that conciousness is exatly parallel on a three dimensional plane hence you also develop a parallel conciousness for the one already existing.
There is a vast void that is created between the two which in this case.....Floyd fills up with their good music. |
Sunday, October 10th 2004 - 07:21:58 AM
| Name: |
Randi Hesthamar |
| Email address: |
randihh@start.no |
| Comments: | Hello !
I`m quite new to the knowledge of Publius and his/hers Enigma, when I first read about it a couple of weeks ago. But I find it so interesting. Division Bell has meant tremendously much to me, from the day it was released. After reading about this Enigma, and gone backwards and tried to understand what was going on that time from 94, I have visited alt.music.pink-floyd quite a lot lately, and several other sites. And a couple of days ago there were two postings at alt.music.pink-floyd from seemingly Publius, dated 26.08 and 27.08 and they are called `MORE DELICATE THUNDER`and `MADCAP BANTER`. If you have seen this, I wonder if these messages are probably true, or do you think they are fake?
I think there is something there, when I listen to my gut feeling..
If you read this mail, and have a opportunity to give me feedback on this, I would highly appreciate that!
Best regards from Randi |
Saturday, September 4th 2004 - 02:22:55 PM
| Name: |
James |
| Email address: |
floydfan75@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I think that it would be very difficult to make music that would trick you to believe that they know something you dont. I think for the most part the band could be classified as being spiritual, its just great theatre rock and roll, people who are weak and dont know where there own lives are going tend to search for people that could possibly hold the answers, but dont realize they are the ones who hold the answer. If I could speak for the band (though I have never met them,only through ther music,this is purely my own feedback) I would think that they laugh to themselves at the time we spend trying to determine that they know things(spiritual if you will)thats why famous people dont really want to be in public, because we hold them to GOD standards and thats foolish(mostly we americans). There just like us trying to survive and get on with life, how about letting them.If I was to meet my hero David Gilmoure it would be a hand shake and if he let me maybe do some jamming(let him here some of my shit)but most of all I would thank him for his contribution to the world of music, not some baby crying lets talk about rumors bullshit do you really think they have time for all these stupid Roger and publius questions?? give the guys a break and let them make some music, I had this thought that maybe its are own fault that there hasnt been any albums out lately, maybe (us) scares the shit out of them maybe we fucked up a good thing by prying into there personal lives and trying to get them to answer stupid questions.I would say forget all the bull and just enjoy the gift of there music, I know I am. |
Friday, August 6th 2004 - 03:30:15 AM
| Name: |
jeff |
| Email address: |
jporter1978@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | While I have problems with some of your finer points, I'm not going to take issue with them, yet. I am here writting this just to see if the feedback loop is functioning. In order for me to continue taking any interest in your site, you must now send feedback to me. Communication is the key, right? |
Tuesday, August 3rd 2004 - 03:51:00 PM
| Name: |
dave |
| Email address: |
davetocus@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I read your entire opus with the song "division bell" playing over and over. I'm into Doug Adams. I was into Norbert Weiner from a ling time ago.
I read "Cybernetics and Society" when my friends were inexplicably playing dodge ball and other pointless, violent games in the sixties. McLuhan, to, as did you, I'm sure.
And believe me, I'm the message of waters and Gilmore and friends. . I'm still not sure about the 2001/echoes link, but I watch the video sometimes and often suspect that they're saying more than my humble abilities can understand.
AND I *want* to understand it, to learn and grow and develop and become more than I am today (read Nietzsche. Really, you'd like his stuff (kubrick certainly did)).
And one more disclaimer. People like us, who recognize the BEAUTY and SUBTLE COMPLEXITY in important patterns around us will always have spurious recognition events...
No, that just either over-nerdy or just silly. I'm not saying it right.
Look, I'm doing all this preface because I don't want you to think I'm one of the stupid people who trivializes the only thing really worth striving for.
But... how can I put this... look, Gilmore said it himself in one of your quotes:
"I'm quite happy for people to interpret it any way they like. But maybe a note of caution should be sounded because you can read too much into it".
Okay?
That's all I'm trying to say. I mean, what's the link between Weiner and Floyd? Your quotes are just vague generalities. For instance, here you get excited by the following:
[FLOYD]:
You can have anything you want
You can drift, you can dream, even walk on water
Anything you want
You can own everything you see
Sell your soul for complete control
Is that really what you need
You get worked up because
[YOU]:
The only place you can have complete control is in a virtual environment. We are in cyberspace here. (controlspace).
Apparently you think Floyd is talking about cyberspace. They're not. And they certainly didn't have to read 50's books on cybernetics to write what they do.
Or this:
[WEINER]:
"It is easy to make a simple machine which will run toward the light or run away from it, and if such machines also contain lights of their own, a number of them together will show complicated forms of social behavior..."
[FLOYD]
Did you know . . . it was all going to go so wrong for you
And did you see it was all going to be so right for me
Why did we tell you then
You were always the golden boy then
And that you'd never lose that light in your eyes
Hey you . . . did you ever realize what you'd become
And did you see that it wasn't only me you were running from
Did you know all the time but it never bothered you anyway
Leading the blind while I stared out the steel in your eyes
[YOU]:
Finally, having come to ones senses:
[FLOYD]:
"I never thought that you'd lose that light in your eyes"
Now, I may just be one of the untutored unwashed, but it sounds like you're inferring some kind of deliberate link between Weiner:
"It is easy to make a simple machine which will run toward the light or run away from it"
and Floyd:
"I never thought that you'd lose that light in your eyes"
Because they both refer to light as something to move toward.
Yes, I *KNOW* you think you were making some subtle, cosmic point that just eluded me, but believe me it wasn't from honestly trying to get into trying hard to see it.
This is more revealing:
[YOU]:
Cluster One (Instrumental)
Noise to Message. (Need I say more?)
wELL, YES YOU *DO* HAVE TO SAY MORE MAN oops, fuckin' caps lock.
I mean, no, this Big Pattern isn't just jumping out at me.
Floyd says:
"Now frontiers shift like desert sands
While nations wash their bloodied hands
Of loyalty, of history, in shades of gray"
And you figure it's a revelation that they're talking about:
"Globalization. Through the proliferation of communication technologies and infrastructure, including the Internet, the world is more closely connected and inter-related."
you see imaginary significance again in Floyd's "keep talking". You follow the song's title [not even any lyrics] with a general statement by Weiner:
"speech is the greatest interest and most distinctive achievement of man."
You follow this insight with the astounding observation that
"Communication is a basic need and drive of human beings - the cornerstone of relationships, human progress, etc."
Yeah... uh... so WHAT??
But your point, whatever it, is so obvious that your next observation is just icing on the cake:
[YOU]:
"Not to mention the fact that Stephen Hawking, cyborg, speaks".
And the fact that he speaks in "keep talking" is, presumably, a source of infinite wonder which you're sharing with us via this McLuhan-esque medium of the Internet.
You do the same thing with Doug Adams quotes.
====
I've talked to several schizophrenic people nonmedically, in depth, and informally, and I actually took them seriously (probably the only person ever to).
One thing I didn't expect and which amazed me was that they were all COMPLETELY NORMAL... except for some ONE LITTLE THING they clung to and insisted on believing was really, really REALLY important.
In fact, once anyone took that belief as important and real, all the other "crazy" stuff they did and wrote -- prolifically -- could be seen as completely rational and reasonable.
The problem wasn't their reasoning or even their observations. They could readily see why those OTHER homeless people were schizophrenic. To a person, their ONLY problem was a stubborn insistence that something insignificant (and usually coincidental) was really, really, important.
======
Could I have "missed the point"? Yes. For sure YOU think so and i ACTUALLY --god damn caps-- I actually believe that I might have missed it. I'm serious about that: You might be putting "The Truth" right there in front of me, and I still don't get it.
But from what I do see... well, a really rude way of putting it was made by yourself at the end of one of your analyses":
[FLOYD]"
While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words
Dying to believe in what you heard
I was staring straight into the shining sun"
[COSMIC ANALYSIS]:
"Pink Floyd is communicating to You. What is the real relationship of Pink Floyd (a group of human beings) and audience?
"Time to get a life."
Sorry,
-dave
|
Wednesday, June 23rd 2004 - 05:35:19 AM
| Name: |
Ernesto |
| Email address: |
ernescapo@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | Very interesting, I don´t know what to think about it. I made a very difficult job interpreting all this, becouse I don´t speak english very well.
The only thing I can say is: When I found all this thing of the enigma, I hadn´t saw anithing stranger in the division bell, but I felt something, and reading it concept I have that feeling a little bit clear. |
Tuesday, June 22nd 2004 - 04:24:27 AM
| Name: |
re-crimisi |
| Email address: |
www.re-crimisi@libero.it |
| Comments: | meraveglioso!david gilmour è il chitarrista più profondo di sempre,trasmette delle emozioni che ad ogni nota entrano sempre di più nel sengue di chi ascolta |
Tuesday, June 15th 2004 - 10:55:26 PM
| Name: |
Tina-fish |
| Comments: | I feel as though my brain has been properly turned inside out. A cautionary analysis of what may have defined by youth is well, at least a little clearer.
I heard about the Publius Enigma in 1995, the year after I finished highschool. At that time my room mate had internet, but I didn't understand it... so I hated it.
The next year I moved to Toronto and went to University. The University had internet, and so I learned how to use it from the only web geek working in the lab that wasn't talking down to women as if they were stupid computer morons. He taught me just a few things, and one thing - he said - that would be all I would need for looking for anything: how to do a Boolean search.
Sounds silly now, but with that small tool the internet opened up to me. Suddenly I understood searching and finding information. I became so good, in fact, I was scooped up by a government headhunter to track down physicians and medical records for people archived in DBs internationally but emerging from pre-WWarI (nothing clandestine - just something they had no idea how to do at the time... and from what I hear now still do, man I wish they would stop calling me). It was a dumb job that any kid could do now, but it gave me the self esteem to take my life in a different direction.
But before all that I looked up the Publius Enigma, there still wasn't much info - so I told myself that I would check back in exactly 8 years (8 sounded cool - it was in my diary, man I was odd then) and... tonight was the night.
In some way I feel like it was something I already knew, but entirely fascinating. This site is kick-ass! The Division Bell was the soundtrack of my changing into an adult - but the message is what made me into a human being.
With my newfound sens of self, that I never had, that I found with someone who communicated with me via a machine interloper, well... my life is always an adventure.
Shine on you cwazy diamond...
T |
Thursday, June 10th 2004 - 09:51:31 AM
| Name: |
John Smith |
| Email address: |
cenman3@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | You have way too much time on your hands!! Good work. |
Thursday, June 3rd 2004 - 08:19:55 PM
| Name: |
Sergio Salazar |
| Email address: |
s_xio@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I was 14 y.o when I got THE DIVISION BELL and as a teenager with Communicational issues,love, friendships and school to worry, plus the feeling of being a different kind of person and realizing my power to change enviroments very easily all the stuff i "discovered" here was nothing more than a reaffirmation of my life now ten years later, and yes, I did learn to communicate and make easy for others to communicate, feedback and progress are indeed related concepts and as a homeostatic being, the changes of my inner self must be balanced with what might break the equilibrium, in order to being able to survive in an "x" enviroment, all that being said, nothin of this is a secret, and noone should think of his or her life in those abstract concepts, just live,and talk, tal keep talking, and that alone will keep the water flowing. |
Sunday, May 16th 2004 - 04:35:36 PM
| Name: |
nelson martinez |
| Email address: |
pinkfloyd_nelson@yahoo.es |
| Comments: | solo puedo decir que THE DIVISION BELL es uno de los mejores albumes de pink floyd y espero que david gilmour venga a chile |
Wednesday, March 31st 2004 - 02:19:23 PM
| Name: |
bob dylan |
| Email address: |
pf_dylan@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | division bell is greatest.
Fabulous.
thank you pink floyd |
Wednesday, March 17th 2004 - 10:42:43 PM
| Name: |
Paul Smith |
| Email address: |
xeromedia@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | Will,
Hello, this is the screenwriter guy who contacts you every other year or so. I noticed the site got alot smaller. Anyhow, I was wondering... did you ever get that script I sent you? Neorith? Well, we've almost finished shooting it as an independent production. We should be finished with post-production by next Christmas. If you're interested in seeing the finished product let me know. We should be bringing it overseas anyway. We did it for dirt cheap... under $7,000. Well, anyway, hope all is well... take care.
- Paul |
Wednesday, January 21st 2004 - 09:19:05 AM
| Name: |
frstinspace |
| Email address: |
razoj@bellsouth.net |
| Comments: | What i read actually makes pretty good sense.so is this the begining or the end for mankind.
"Pink Floyd".
regrading to all members of pink floyd including "roger". |
Friday, January 16th 2004 - 10:00:44 PM
| Name: |
Jefro |
| Comments: | Wow. I was never aware of anything too deep inside the Division Bell album. Whether or not I agree with the theories will take some research. I was concerned with this comment: "As much as many fans would like to forget, Pink Floyd was originally a psychedelic rock band." Forget the early times? For a Pink Floyd fan not to appreciate (not not to like) the early work of the Floyd. Songs such as Astronomy Domine and Careful with that Axe Eugene set the stage for DSOM and WYWH. Like life, music is a growth. The way I see it, is that Floyd has something for every emotion and every attitude. To read into a band as much as you are on this website and to not appreciate the early work is blasphemy. |
Friday, December 12th 2003 - 09:46:08 PM
| Name: |
Ben |
| Comments: | I believe that the ideas behind the cover and otherwise of The Division Bell have a lot to do with the power of communication as you do.
If you look at all of the faces on the albums, you can see them talking to each other, but then if you focus out and look at the entire thing, you see one bigger face if you look closely. Mabye they are trying to say that when we put our thoughts together and work together, we can all work together to make part of the bigger picture? Furthermore, mabye they are trying to tell their fans, as you said, to stop spending so much time trying to analyze their music, go out and get friends? Mabye they are saying that if they stop divulging in their music so much and instead work on making relations between other human beings, they will have much more productive lives and be much happier? Perhaps this is even the "reward" that the elusive Publius speaks of? That making connections and getting a live will lead you to many rewards and a better altogether life?
Or mabye it's saying something else more large-scale about the world? Perhaps it is either implying that the free sharing of information via the web can help expand the knowledge of many and allow communication on a greater scale, and thus we should make use of it, communicate with people from all over the world, and work to make a more unified, productive, and better world? Or mabye it's saying that the internet will take up all of one's time and that we should spend more time with our friends and people face to face so that we can better ourselves in real life?
Perhaps they were throwing some big bone out for conspiracy buffs to have fun with for a while and make a clever refference that everyone is trapped in a machine (Matrix style :P), and that the only way to overcome this machine is by uniting?
Or possibly it's saying that man controls his own destiny, and that by joining ones wishes and dreams with other people's, we can work together to form a great destiny/dream from which all of us can take something?
I actually only started reading about this about an hour ago on this site and decided to think about it, but my conclusions are just mindless speculation, so don't mind me. |
Thursday, December 11th 2003 - 04:22:15 AM
Friday, November 28th 2003 - 02:27:35 AM
| Name: |
Piper |
| Email address: |
blackdogfromevermore@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I'm a PF fan, though i was not there in their times. When i heard TDB i was pretty sure there was some theme behind that album cover. And That's how iu got here.
I also got to one other page, it's worth checking out...
http://folk.uio.no/ericsp/floyd.html |
Thursday, November 27th 2003 - 04:41:45 AM
| Name: |
Ann O'Minus |
| Email address: |
ann0minus@sbcglobal.net |
| Comments: | I found your site because I was doing a search for "airship".
I am a long standing PF fan.
I am familiar with the concepts of Cybernetics via Gregory Baetson. "Information overload = pattern recognition".
Therefore I am engaging U as in YOU in feedback. |
Monday, November 24th 2003 - 01:47:17 AM
| Name: |
Alec |
| Comments: | nice work chapS,
as a fan of floYD, I think the music is first, and the intervies, secrets, and codes in the alBumn covers are secondARy. I think floyians need to ask themselves: If this band pRoducEd only music, would they still be my favouriTe? |
Sunday, November 16th 2003 - 02:55:00 AM
| Name: |
Eric |
| Email address: |
eric@wyari.net |
| Comments: | That's the most ingaging thing I have ever read. Thankyou So much.
I was so frustrated when everything was spelled out to me though... Why didn't i see that? |
Friday, October 10th 2003 - 07:02:59 AM
| Name: |
Emilia |
| Comments: | Interesting. Great thoughts, guys - neat bit of brain food. I'm reminding myself to check out a copy of Cybernetics and Society the next time I'm at the library. :) |
Thursday, August 21st 2003 - 11:05:53 PM
| Name: |
Pauli Hannola |
| Email address: |
phannola@suomi24.fi |
| Comments: | I got onto this page by co-incidense, and since I haven't listened to the Division Bell yet, and I don't know all those fancy english words, I didn't understand everything, but this page never-the-less looks very interesting. I'll have to get back to this again. Now I'm off to check out that link to BBC... |
Monday, August 11th 2003 - 08:27:28 PM
| Name: |
Andrew Hunt |
| Email address: |
mailbox@megalomania.co.uk |
| Comments: | Well, it just goes to show.
I came across this site whilst doing some online research. As an ex-student of the eminent cybernetician Stafford Beer, and an energy efficiency officer for local government, I am working on a cybernetic theory of energy for a viable technological global society.
"The Division Bell" has always been a favourite Floyd album of mine, both musically (I am a singer/songwriter/guitarist myself) and spiritually (when it was released it neatly summed up a lot of thoughts which were in the process of being concluded after a long period of learning and change in my life, including what I had learned with Stafford Beer). I shall certainly give it another listen after reading this site.
Another example of holistic "syntegrity" in action. As Stafford once wrote,
"This sentence has thirty-one letters"
Peace and Love
Andrew |
Wednesday, August 6th 2003 - 02:02:52 PM
| Name: |
Nate |
| Comments: | Very interesting I must say. I Agree with you that Douglas Adams could have thought the Enigma up. He's certainly crazy enough to have nonsensical leads following up to the ending of nothingness. If you read The Hitchiker's Guide to the Universe, The Restaurant at The End of The Universe, and So Long and Thanks for All The Fish, You'd recognize that none of it makes any sense whatsoever and the last book ends without making anysense it seems unfinished and extremely random jumping from subplot to subplot.
However it has the same sort of continuation in the books as The Enigma has, it's Blind Faith. You Keep reading the stories hoping everything will be explained when you reach the end and you are wrong you are more confused than ever and nothing is resolved. Maybe "Publis" is Douglas Adams but until someone steps up and takes credit for it and proves he is "Publis" we will never know. |
Monday, July 28th 2003 - 08:19:05 PM
| Name: |
Kelsey |
| Comments: | The division bell has a new feel every time it is listened to- partially based on the situation of the listener at the time. I can both sink into a trance with the haunting lyrics of high hopes, or sing in pure bliss to coming back to life while driving down the interstate.
One interesting observation, may not be true, but the first verse of high hopes references a very symbolic part of Gabriel Garcia Marquez' 100 years of Solitude. "In a world of magnets and miracles". I am not sure if this was in the writer's mind, but it sure deepens my relationship with the song since the book has itself moved me in many ways. I certainly don't know as much about Floyd as a few friends, but it still is fascinating to listen to their lyrics as a form of poetry, not a religion, but an art. |
Saturday, July 12th 2003 - 08:47:59 AM
| Name: |
Dick Butkus |
| Comments: | Makes a lot of sense... I'll have to read that Cybernetics book first before I make any final conclusions, though... |
Sunday, June 22nd 2003 - 08:18:43 PM
| Name: |
me |
| Email address: |
nicestguyever1@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | is this saying that we are all slowing becoming ONE spontaniouse unit and that this works against the way our government wants our saciety to work so they impliment tools such as TV and COMPUTERS to stop the spontanuity |
Thursday, June 19th 2003 - 02:58:08 PM
| Name: |
androidz001 |
| Email address: |
androidz001@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I can communicate to to millions of people through the internet, why do I feel more isolated than before? Why do I talk to myself more than before? I had I lost my faith. I had lost the light in my eye.
Am I only running from myself? I am trying to tear down the wall I built which imprisoned me. When I step on grounds outside the wall, where do I go? What do I want from myself, for myself? What do I want out of this life? What is my purpose? I stare into the mirror and ask these questions. The feedback is interpreted as inconclusive. |
Saturday, May 3rd 2003 - 12:39:51 AM
| Name: |
Jeremy McClure |
| Email address: |
jmcclure001@msn.com |
| Comments: | I think you created a very thought provoking essay here. I am also a Pink Floyd fan and have allowed their music to really get inside of me the way certain types of music have profound effects on people. I enjoyed your references and agree with a lot of your opinions regarding communication as the basis of the project. In my own view (and it is just another view) I didn't see as much of an emphasis in advanced technology (internet theories) as you did. The only reference I gathered on the subject of advancing technology was that when it spins out of control, it is a bad thing - Take It Back. Mostly I see it as a very long struggle or series of struggles rather to more clearly open lines of communication... almost to the point of being frustrated (Lost For Words), mentally array and exhausted (Wearing the Inside Out - my favorite), and drivin to move forward (Keep Talking), almost relentlessly. But hey, again, that's part of my own interpretation. I'm curious to know how often people submit their opinions to you and/or has it been since the album came out that anyone has inquired on your website. Tonight is the first time I say it. |
Wednesday, April 30th 2003 - 07:14:58 AM
| Name: |
zeronumber |
| Email address: |
zeronumber@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | intrinsically, division will by definition divide.
the illusion of duality may be dispelled by examination.
all is all, regardless of illusive conception of otherwise.
the illusion of division is what divides us at all. |
Tuesday, April 22nd 2003 - 09:05:50 PM
| Name: |
Nick |
| Comments: | I am still trying to make sense of all the stuff I've read on the internet in the last 5 hours. 6 hours ago I just thought the Division Bell was a good album. I am going to bed because the sun is almost up, and after some serious reflection I will tell you what I think of your ideas.
In terms of your site, it is fucking awesome. All the various links, pictures, quotes, information, thoughts, and humor has definitely left me in awe. Wow. Thanks. |
Tuesday, April 15th 2003 - 11:38:30 AM
| Name: |
carlos toledo |
| Email address: |
carlos_toledo@dell.com |
| Comments: | Wow, Your theory is amazing, and so far to me is the best explanation for this stuff. I always thought that this thing was always a creative form to get involved on the record and the tour.
Good job Will
Carlos, MEXICO #1 fan
|
Wednesday, February 19th 2003 - 08:17:53 PM
Tuesday, February 11th 2003 - 09:51:00 PM
| Name: |
Ricardo de Aquino |
| Email address: |
trakinos@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | how can i participate the message forum that oficially discuss the enigma? |
Tuesday, February 11th 2003 - 09:33:02 PM
| Name: |
Hyperion |
| Comments: | YEAH! I'm a long time fan of the Kubrick Floyd site.
Keep up the excelent work.
One small point of divergence. The conclusion that the Enigma exists for its own sake. The idea that when you get that there is no enigma, that is the enigma. This leaves out quite a bit. It is in itself "an answer", but not necessarily the whole answer. Consider the lack of humanity and emotion in the conclusion you have drawn. Its a bit sterile considering the years and volumes of social comentary, emotion, and learning which characterizes Floyd. Wheres the humanity in a cybernetic solution?
I do agree with your conclusion, it just seems like something is missing. I am not made of stone or silicon! Sometimes the heart must rule the head!
BTW where is that photo of the World Wide Control Center taken? What building is that? It's been driving me mad for years. |
Monday, February 10th 2003 - 06:08:37 PM
| Name: |
syncopa |
| Email address: |
syncopa@hvc.rr.com |
| Comments: | quite thorough, and the flow goes nicely with some of the messages sent by publius. but what of the page #'s, and certain other specifics mentioned by publius? i prefer this version of your theory compared to the last, more precise and to the point. all in all another theory to ponder. could possibly be the most complete theory i've seen to date. "tip o' da hat", "congratulations", etc...etc... "good work!"
syncopa |
Monday, February 10th 2003 - 05:32:21 PM
| Name: |
Will B. Good |
| Email address: |
bgood@gmx.net |
| Comments: | Ahoy there!
André, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Giovanni, It took me maybe a day or two to come to the conclusion I did, but it seems, much longer to communicate it effectively.
Bernie, I'm saying that the prize is in the music on The Division Bell. Pink Floyd are musicians, so the only unique prize they could possibly offer is the music of Pink Floyd. I'll tweak the presentation a bit to make this more clear.
Thanks for your comments! |
Friday, February 7th 2003 - 08:52:28 AM
| Name: |
bgerling |
| Comments: | Hello. I think your page contains the best theory I have heard on the enigma so far. I have stopped contributing to the other board for the time being because I thought people were becoming very narrow minded. There have been many good theories over the years, but no sense of closure. I think that your page accomplishes this to a certain extent. you seem to be saying that the tangible prize is a sort of entity in information space. This entity is sustained by feedback as long as we "keep talking." Either that or those Volkswagon keys are in the ocean off of eastern Australia. Ha Ha.
-Bernie
I don't know, I was really drunk at the time |
Thursday, February 6th 2003 - 10:51:34 PM
| Name: |
Giovanni Manassero Junior |
| Email address: |
delta_king_99@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I think it was a great explanation. I have two questions although:
1) How many nights have you spent to come to this conclusion? (hehehe)
2) Have you talk to Eric H.T. Spierings (http://folk.uio.no/ericsp/)? I think he'll go crazy when he read your concept.
Best Regards
|
Thursday, February 6th 2003 - 07:43:32 PM
| Name: |
André Carneiro |
| Email address: |
andrecar@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Hi, my name is Andre and I live in Brazil. I was jumping from one page to another till I found yours. Your idea of what The Division Bell Concept, Publius enigma and Communication is very very interesting. It really makes sense. I guess you finally undestood the meaning of the Publius Enigma and I can say for sure that it was a prize to read your thesis.
I congratulate you.
André Carneiro |
Thursday, February 6th 2003 - 06:25:55 PM
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