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Sunday, March 7th 1999 - 09:41:00 AM
Name: Chadi
Comments:Date : mardi 24 novembre 1998 22:17
Objet : strategy!


for the hotel, do you mean that you should gather around
4000$ in 2
month?
and i will try to help you in the accounting of the hotel
if you ever could
succed in achieving this goal!
je peux t'aider en comptabilité, surtout dans la langue
français, car j'ai
pris de la comptabilité dans le système français, je peux
organiser le
journal, et fair des comptes shématizés, et préparer des
bordereaux de
salaire et des écritures qui doivent être adréssé à l'état,
mais je ne suis
pas professionel!, et il faut que tu m'indiques les
opérations qui se passe
jour à jour pourque je puisse préparer un journal!

anyway, take care !
and have a nice day!
mes saluts à Baud
amitié
chaya
Saturday, November 28th 1998 - 03:21:46 PM
Name: Izzy
Comments:De : Baudron
Date : jeudi 26 novembre 1998 13:17
Objet : Georges' advises.

Hi,
I just got a phone call from Georges,
from the association ICARE ,
one of the businessmen whom I met on tuesday.
Georges is a long time old friend who
created this association 10 years ago.
He had a bookshop previously, speciallized in
children books, comics, school equipment, and
alternative books.

Here are the advises he gave for the hotel :
- to count everything :
evaluate the concerts, the fast food, drinks,
staff, social charges, the differences between what
we buy and what we sell, what we earn with a meal,
etc...

- On the form of the society (we have to make one),
he advises a EURL, which separates the individual
money of the people from the money from the entreprise,

- He advise I follow a short session in countability to
know about all the counts. His association ICARE can
help to check it too.

- The previsions must be made month by month : if the
previsions do not fit the facts : if for instance we earn
in one month 20 000 fr less, or more, than foreseen,
then we must reconsider the whole budget.
In the previsions, there must be a balance between
the money spent and the money earnt.

- About the society : we must have a capital of 50 000 fr
to start : 10 000 $.
He advises to foresee and count everything, and not to put
up anything without knowing how we are gonna do to
get out of it in case of future problems.

Over and out :)
Iz
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Saturday, November 28th 1998 - 03:17:13 PM
Name: Sam
E-mail address: birbeck@chariot.net.au
Comments:Date : mercredi 25 novembre 1998 14:12
Objet : Re: report of yesterday meeting with businessmen

hi iz, sorry i haven't emailed about this yet, but i think
i can put up a
little money for the hotel... it will have to be a loan as
i don't have
much money but i don't mind getting it back later with no
interest, so it's
no problem. i think i can put up between $100 and $200
(australian
dollars), but i'll have to see exactly how much i can
spare. when is the
latest you need the cash by?

- sam
Saturday, November 28th 1998 - 03:13:36 PM
Name: Izzy
E-mail address: baudron@interpc.fr
Homepage URL: http://geocities.com/Athens/Crete/9445/
Comments:Hi all,

Here are more news about the hotel , from 2 sources :
A. ICARE :
I saw the business men of the association
Icare yesterday night They were 3,
and here is the result of
what they said on the hotel project :

1. About renting the hotel rooms to students,
they said to take info about the facilities in
Migne to access to the uni : after calling the
town hall, it comes out that there are busses every hour to
the campus, so the lady said there is no problem about it.

2. They advise to share the activities of the bar,
and the ones from the group,
- the most simple formula to run the bar and have people
working in the place is the association,
- but the business with our productions requires a
commercial society. Now putting up a
society requires to have to start a capital of
50 000 fr : about 9 000 $, which we do not presently have.
So we could make an association for the members of
Interzone, and a society for the business of the production.

3. For the possibilities of the free bed for the Zoners :
we must take care of the law : the society can make gifts
to the association and give free beds to the Zoners, but
if we want to avoid problems about the counts (the counts
associations are checked at the moment in France because
of the abuses with the money)
they say that the most accurate is that everybody pays,
and then the group gives the money back to the Zoners.

4. For the different activities we intend to make :
they advise to evaluate first which profit can
come out of each one first :
at the restaurant for instance, if we make quick
restauration, if we want to have 2 people working in it,
we have to sell per day 40 meals at
35 fr each ( about 6 $) :which requires to
have enough clients.
The previous owners of the business used to make
50 meals a day (but it was a formal restaurant, and
the hotel did not work because they could not make it
at the end, being both ill.)
So if we know where we go in each activity;
then things will be clear for everybody.

5. They advise to see which activities we want to
make first, which ones are the most important.

If we do not make it, they advise me to make money
in making animations in social centers for the youth here,
culural centers, which ask for people.
They also gave 2 addresses for our writings, where we
can get advises and subventions.

All this seems relevant to me, and I think we have
to take this in account.


B. Musician friends in Poitiers :
I have been calling a friend who is musician
in Poitiers and has a jazz band since
some years, Cimagil. His brother, also in the band,
is teacher in the music school of Migne !!!!!
And the director of the music school is an ex member of the
band Tri Yan.

They both had a bar some years ago in Thouars, same style
as the one we want to make, and have experience in it.
He said that he thinks Migne is a great place to make
this sort of business : there is only one bar where they
can play for concerts in Potiers, but the boss is awful and
rips them
off, so they quit.
Some people also made it some years ago in the country side,
8 kms far from Poitiers' area, and it was always
full up, so there would not be any problem in Migne,
as this sort of place is missing at the moment.

So these are again positive infos on the place.
Christophe, the friend I called, said thay if we make it,
they can come and play and make us in touch with other
groups
here. They can also make expos and bring people
from their surrounding in the place.
Also the director of the music school would be glad to
have a place for the groups he is in touch with.


*****************
Situation here :

Money :
But first, the question is to get the money to pay
the equipment, and to start running the place.
If we do not get it before 2 weeks, then the question
is solved, and we look for another formula.
For the moment, considering the offers you made since
the 21st : we got 300 $ for the offer on 1600 $ (8000 fr)
so we still have to get 1300 to buy the business..
Then to start the business, we need at least 20 000 fr


About the money, could not it be a lending ?
I mean the money the Zoners send would get back
to them after the place is openned. We did not foresee this
before, but this seems reasonable to me.
We would give the money back without interest,
but the benefit for the Zoners would be the free
bed there, for all their life. So the place would be
more like a kind of a home we would have somewhere
and can go when we feel like.

See what you think.


Staff :
About the people susceptible to work here,
I have contacted a couple I met at the chambre
de commerce recently, and who intends to
buy a business to. They need to get a lending,
and it will take some times to them.
So the girl would be interested in working with us,
and is disponible immediately.
They got a similar conception of the bar than us,
want to make a cultural and musical place (the guy is
musician), and are very interested in our project.
They propose we meet, so they are gonna come and
see me next week.
As far as I have stated, they are nice people,
openned, about 30 yo, intelligent and positive.
I'd be glad to work with the girl, would not have
any problem with her I think. We got a very good contact
at the first meeting.

So I propose you consider all those elements.
I do not want to start something which has few
chances of success : this hotel is not absolutely
necessary to us as we have been doing without
it untill now, and we might consider other formulas.
So I won't make it if you and I think it will be a failure.

But if we get the money and it comes out we can make
it and if you think the occasion is worth to be tried ,
then, ride on !

I took the computer to repair yesterday, and the scanner
works, so I can now make the scans of the pics of the
hotel and you can get an idea.
I send the URL when they are on the web.

Best
Iz





Saturday, November 28th 1998 - 03:08:02 PM
Name: Izzy
E-mail address: baudron@interpc.fr
Comments:Hi Iggy,

Hey, much thanks for the offer and ideas.
Sounds great. It could work if we do this.
Let's wait for 15 days to send the money :
if at this time we got enough offers from the group,
they we know we can make it.
I'm gonna put the mails in the forum today,
at http://books.dreambook.com/izzy23/book2.html
so everybody can consult them and know
how things are going.

But independently of the hotel, the equipment
is worth being bought this price and be sold
separetely, we can get for it at least twice if not thrice
the 8000 fr.
so if we got problems with the hotel (cannot find people
to work in it, though I think we should make it here too),
or are fed up with it after one or two years and want to
change,
we shall just have to stop to pay the rent, and sell the
equipment we bought :)
Even here, it will be a good deal.
So considering the different ways the story can turn,
it seems we win at every time,as even if we fail,
we can earn money on it.
he he he

much thanks for your help for the hotel since the
beginning. I could never have made it alone
and it turns out well, it seems.

Best
Izzy


>GOOD IDEA;All zoners send 50 or 100$.You can count on my
100$ (even more if
>necessary)
>
>You need 8000 frs for the equipment plus 3 months of rent
wich totals
>about 20000 frs ;that's less than 3500 US$.You only need 70
people sending
>50$ each.A few at 200$,a few at 100$ and the rest at 50$;it
looks easy.
>
>


Monday, November 23rd 1998 - 01:54:34 AM
Name: Iggy
E-mail address: sky86327@skynet.be
Comments:
> Hi Christopher,
>
> Thanks for your mail and answer.
> The fixed price seems a good idea :
> Wales sent 50 $, Littlemute proposes 100 $.
> and Josh says he will invest too.
> I invest the 50 $ from the tee-shirts selling,
> so it seems 50 $ is a base .
> Now, if 32 Zoners invest 50 $, which seems
> possible, then we can make it.
>


GOOD IDEA;All zoners send 50 or 100$.You can count on my 100
$ (even more if
necessary)

You need 8000 frs for the equipment plus 3 months of rent
wich totals
about 20000 frs ;that's less than 3500 US$.You only need 70
people sending
50$ each.A few at 200$,a few at 100$ and the rest at 50$;it
looks easy.

Iggy
Monday, November 23rd 1998 - 01:51:20 AM
Name: Izzy
Comments:>Have you investigated the possibility of just doing it your
own? I
>guess you don't have any credit or you could just do it on
your own.

Hi Josh,
Very good idea, the only problem is that I got no money
personnaly except the one from the tee-shirts, because
I do not work. And nobody in my surrounding will lend me
any.
Now if we can gather the sum, then I can work in it of
course,
and would be glad to, according to the aims we have fixed
in the frame of the Zone, and of the organization we are
gonna
make.

>It's hard for me to get a sense of what's involved from
this distance.
>It seems like a good plan but I'd want to at least visit
sometime and
>see it in person first...

Yes, I can understand this. I got a video from the place,
and pics which I'll scan when the scanner here is ready
(I take it to the technician on tuesday, and hope it will
work then)

I mean, it seems like not that
much to pay
>for a hotel! This really isn't that much money for me, so I
could
>invest in it, if I were to come out there first and visit
it and
>everything, but someone like yourself would have to be
there all the
>time. I guess what I'm saying is that you should do it on
your own...
>I'm not confident about group business endeavors...

Well, the hotel was brought by the circumstances, and
then people told me to go on as it seems interesting.
The 8000 fr price is the least we can get for the
liquidation : they first wanted 800 000 for the business and
refused 700 000 fr. then nobody could buy the place.

you
seem
>intelligent enough to just go ahead and do it without the
help of the
>resat of us. Once you got it running you could use the 'net
to get
>paying patrons and customers... I would gladly come and
visit and pay
>for a few nights... it would give us a place to stay.

About the Zoners investing the money, I suggest that when
they come, they get a free bed : the place will be as theirs
as
mine as without them we would have not get it.
It first is for the Zone. So ok that people out of the Zone
pay for the bed, but not the Zoners. A bed does not require
expenses, not as the meals, which you have to buy and
prepair. And there won't be zoners visiting all the time,
just
some now and then I guess.
Now you can give money to the organization of you want
and can make it.

In India we travelled a lot in Sikh temples, which are
free for the travellers : you get free food and free bed
during
3 days. But you give something in exchange : work in the
kitchen,
or to repair a building, etc... And Sikhs give some money
according to what they can afford. As a result, people are
all well fed,
and the community is wealthy. They make this system
all over the world, Gurudwaras is the Indian name.
See the link on their site in the rubric "Spirituality" at
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/9445/links.html
I appreciated a lot this organization. Very good for the
people, and very effective.

In a similar way, Zoners who would invest money, or would
work
in the place, or would make exhibitions, etc., would have
free bed.
What do you think ?
Best
Izzy
Monday, November 23rd 1998 - 01:49:23 AM
Name: Joshua Berlow
E-mail address: cordwainer@yahoo.com
Comments:Have you investigated the possibility of just doing it your
own? I
guess you don't have any credit or you could just do it on
your own.
It's hard for me to get a sense of what's involved from
this distance.
It seems like a good plan but I'd want to at least visit
sometime and
see it in person first... I mean, it seems like not that
much to pay
for a hotel! This really isn't that much money for me, so I
could
invest in it, if I were to come out there first and visit
it and
everything, but someone like yourself would have to be
there all the
time. I guess what I'm saying is that you should do it on
your own...
I'm not confident about group business endeavors... you seem
intelligent enough to just go ahead and do it without the
help of the
resat of us. Once you got it running you could use the 'net
to get
paying patrons and customers... I would gladly come and
visit and pay
for a few nights... it would give us a place to stay.
regards,

josh
Monday, November 23rd 1998 - 01:47:23 AM
Name: Izzy
E-mail address: baudron@interpc.fr
Comments:Hi Mute,
Much thanks for this.
About not eating much, I suggest to send you free
chocolates, so it might make a compensation :)
You said you like them if I remember well.

I forward you the mails of the other people involved
in the hotel project, so we all got the info on what's going
on.
Love
Iz

Monday, November 23rd 1998 - 01:45:32 AM
Name: Littlemute
E-mail address: tajomaru@execpc.com
Comments:De : littlemute
À : BAUDRON Isabelle
Date : samedi 21 novembre 1998 17:54
Objet : Re: hotel : it seems to work !!!!


>I don't have much money but I could send a little bit I
think. maybe
>100$ if I don't eat much this month.
>
>littlemute
>
>
Monday, November 23rd 1998 - 01:43:40 AM
Name: Izzy
E-mail address: baudron@interpc.fr
Comments:Hi Christopher,

Thanks for your mail and answer.
The fixed price seems a good idea :
Wales sent 50 $, Littlemute proposes 100 $.
and Josh says he will invest too.
I invest the 50 $ from the tee-shirts selling,
so it seems 50 $ is a base .
Now, if 32 Zoners invest 50 $, which seems
possible, then we can make it.

Now I'd suggest to wait for 2 weeks before sending the
money,
and see then if we got enough people.
If yes, then people send it on the 3rd week
so it's on the count at the limit date.
But I'd be sorry if people beguin to send money
and if we have not got enough them, I have to send
it back, which would not make any sense.
I'll put all the offers in the forum, so people can
know how things are going, and make a list of
the people involved in the money, so we all
can get the infos together.

What do you think ?
Seems a bit more organized like this.

Much thanks again.
I forward you the mails of the others and my answers.
Cheers
Iz
Monday, November 23rd 1998 - 01:42:34 AM
Name: Christopher Nicholson
E-mail address: headcleaner@hotmail.com
Comments:De : Christopher Nicholson
À : baudron@interpc.fr
Date : samedi 21 novembre 1998 17:53
Objet : $$$ for hotel

Hi,

I'm interested in becoming a shareholder of the hotel, but
am not sure
how much money I should invest. There are probably a lot of
Zoners
interested in this project, and everyone should have the
opportunity to
be a part of it. So what about a recommended 'fee', or a
fixed 'price'?

Yours sincerely,
Christopher Nicholson.
Monday, November 23rd 1998 - 01:40:33 AM
Name: Izzy
Homepage URL: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/9445/
Comments:Woops ! there is an error in the URL of the Interzone
Academy I wrote upper : this one should be the correct one
:)
Sunday, November 15th 1998 - 02:08:40 AM
Name: Izzy
E-mail address: baudron@interpc.fr
Homepage URL: http://www.geocoties.com/Athens/Crete/9445/
Comments:Hi all,
I put up this forum for the hotel and home for the Zone
yesterday.
Feel free to post your mails directly here, so I won't have
not make a page nor forget to insert mails in it.

You can also answer here to the Zoners who write, so we can
have a common exchange and share our datas.
Love
Iz
Sunday, November 15th 1998 - 02:04:20 AM
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