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| Name: | kristina |
| E-mail address: | kristina@riseinternationalcic.org |
| Homepage URL: | http://riseinternationalcic.org/memorial.php |
| Comments: | Hi I thought you may be interested in a new project we are starting. The lost Children Memorial. The details are below. The more we work together the more chance we have to be heard. http://riseinternationalcic.org/memorial.php Your sincerely kristina Jones (Co-Author of 'Not Without My Sister' and Executive Director of RISEinternational |
| Name: | Susan |
| Comments: | I would like to address the concern Shannon had about the labels that people are giving to UBF. First, I want to say that I am thankful that God led Shannon to find a church where she could experience the freedom to study his word and grow in her faith. The New Testament is full of warnings to the church that "false prophets" will try to lead many astray. Although on the surface it may appear that what UBF is doing with 1:1 bible study is a good thing, it is really a tactic they use to glean information about one's personal life while at the same time using and twisting God's word to fit their personal agenda and purported role of playing the Holy Spirit in people's lives. Even Satan himself is very knowledgeable about God's word and tried to use it to tempt Jesus during his 40 days in the wilderness. God does not intend for people of Christian faith to live in bondage, oppression, or never-ending guilt. He also does not want the church to become arrogant and teach that it is through "THEIR" work (the church)that salvation comes. What Shannon said about UBF questioning the validity of other churches confirms the dangerous point that cults try to convince their members that if they leave them, they are leaving God. The message cults send to their members is that it is inconceivable for God to exist anywhere else. I also experienced this with UBF right before leaving them. I had shared a story with them of a young man who had received Christ at a church I had visited while in the Bahamas. My group's response was basically this: if it didn't happen here, then it didn't really happen." Their are TONS of valid churches that strongly encourage people to attend small group bible studies. I personally attend a small group and this has been very helpful in allowing me to connect with other women as we strive to grow in our walk with our Lord. It has also given each of us a sense of community amongst our group...we are connected, care about one another, lift each other in prayer, and feel safe to share our life's struggles, hurts, and victories with one another. God designed us for relationship- relationship with him and with other believers, so that we can be strengthened and grown to lovingly SHARE HIM WITH OTHERS!!! May God bless readers who come across this site and help those who are in UBF to see the light of his truth. |
| Name: | Calito |
| Comments: | Hi all, I came across this information while looking up info on the late Derek Prince. Thought it might be of some interest~ (Please note the following information was was from tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherding_Movement) The Shepherding Movement (sometimes called the "Discipleship Movement") was an influential and controversial movement within American charismatic churches begun in the 1970s and early 1980s. The doctrine of the movement emphasized the "one another" passages of the New Testament, and the mentoring relationship prescribed by the Apostle Paul in 2 Timothy 2:2 of the Holy Bible. |
| Name: | Shannon |
| Comments: | Susan, I also studied with Toledo UBF. I struggle with the labels that have been applied to UBF. I started one-to-one bible study at a time in my life that I was most off the narrow path. My studies with UBF helped me to personalize my relationship with Jesus and I am so so glad that he used my UBF bible teacher to reach me at this stage in life. That being said, I struggled greatly with the constant urgings to not spend too much time with my family or friends. I belonged to another church and often attended both services because of guilt. I didn't understand what could be so wrong with my family or church. I left UBF because of my concerns around the alienation of my family and the whole arranged marriage thing kindof freaked me out. This wasn't an easy task. I was made to feel that I was walking away from Jesus not a church. Again that being said, it has took me 12 years to find another fellowship where I felt so engaged in my walk with Christ. I struggled to find a church focused on bible study and personal relationships. So like I said, I really struggle with the lables applied to UBF. I strongly believe that the Lord used them to reach me when I was the most lost. But I then felt convicted to also serve my family. Thankfully, He has now lead me to a church where I can serve my Lord and my family. |
| Name: | Susan |
| Comments: | I find it interesting that current UBF members are browsing this site...How can you read these postings and not find it disturbing that SO MANY PEOPLE have been badly wounded by the destructive teachings and manipulations of the UBF church? I just want to say that God loves you and wants you to live in the freedom that only He can offer. I will say this and leave the matter to rest- I have never been so scared as when members of this group hunted me down like an animal, striking terror in the hearts of my family memebers when they called each of them at work asking where I was. They then proceeded to find me at my parents' home. I asked God to give me strength to say the words that needed to be said and for him to protect me from these people. I experienced a true spiritual battle that would scare the pants off of most people. The hate that came from my bible teacher's eyes and those of my roommate would make one's blood run cold. It was as if I sat across from Satan himself. The walls and ceiling of my parents' home started to shift as I boldly spoke the words that the Holy Spirit put in my mouth. It was not by my power, it was all about God and his angels that day. I thank Him for his protection and from wrenching me free from their destructive and false ways. I continue to pray that others will be rescued from this group. |
| Name: | current Toledo UBF member |
| Comments: | I am a current Toledo UBF member. I have never heard any teaching about "losing" your salvation. I don't know who Sue studied with, but I have been there for more than 12 years and have never heard any teaching on "losing" your salvation if you do not obey a leader. How unfortunate it is to have been told such a thing. The Bible clearly states in John 10:28-30 , 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one." Assurance of one's salvation is a staple of the Christian faith. I am glad that Sue found a place to worship and serve Christ. |
| Name: | Susan |
| Comments: | I wanted to answer Nick's question about my experience in Toledo. I honestly never heard the leader or anyone else even mention how you come to salvation. When I started attending, I was like the prodigal son who had gone out into the world and realized that I needed to come back to my father's home. Noone ever spoke to me about salvation. But, MUCH emphasis WAS placed on obeying the Leader and the "missionaries"- if they suggest you dress a certain way, not date, not visit with your family for too many days, not see your old friends anymore, etc. then you better obey or you will succomb to the devil by not following their suggestions. Leadership tried to take the place of the Holy Spirit- noone was encouraged to see what God was trying to teach them individually through the sermon message or from God's word itself. Thank you for your inquiry and I pray that you and others who have escaped may be wrapped in God's love and assurance! |
| Name: | Nick T. |
| E-mail address: | realnickt@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Hi Susan, You did not leave an email address, was wondering if you could answer one question for me? At your ubf, do they still deny the assurance of salvation? Do they still teach that we may lose our salvation at any time, esp. if we do not obey the ubfleader? Thank you for your confession of grace thru Christ alone. Keep the faith. |
| Name: | Susan |
| Comments: | I am a former UBF member from the Toledo, Ohio chapter. I thank God for rescuing me from the bondage and depravity that existed in this godless cult. I will go so far to call them this because they dismiss the role of the Holy Spirit to work in people's hearts and minds. When you dismiss one person of the trinity, you dismiss God in his entirety. By God's grace, I am now happily married and thriving in a Christian church that truly seeks to further God's kingdom. I am a child of God, saved by his grace alone, and free to share his love with others. Thank you for creating and maintaining a site that ex-members and potential and/or existing members can come to for clarification on what this group believes and the dangers they pose to others. |
| Name: | Malpa |
| Comments: | I'm very disappointed with the messages I’ve read here. I’ve been involved with UBF for almost 2 years. I’ve suffered tremendously because of the cost of following Jesus in UBF. I thank God for my bible teacher who has trained me and motivated me to be a servant of Christ. I was unhappy and I felt disconnected from God until I joined UBF and learned to live for God. You all complain about the hurt ubf caused, well I am confident you are trading that in for hurt that awaits you elsewhere in this world. I’m leaving ubf cause of my selfishness, but I’ll never side with your lack of sympathy for a church that sincerely devotes themselves to creating a “kingdom of priest” on campuses all over the world. Makes me sick listening to Christians say this church and that church are purely businesses, looking for money and people to brain wash. We are living in a dieing world. I want to surround myself with people trying to do something about it. Why is it that I only find passionate Christians in so called “cults” or Christians that aren’t committed to a single church? There are problems and divisions everywhere. UBF has been EXTREMELY useful to my spiritual growth. However I feel like I must move on. UBF has been a blessing to my life, and it makes me sick to my stomach to hear the bias stomping of them. Sure they may be misguided, but deep inside they are lovers of Christ with a passion to expand his kingdom. If you can’t see that, than you just see what Satan is showing you. Be self reliant in your walk with Christ, and if you want help, seek a ministry based on discipline like UBF to get you miles ahead of aimless stubborn Christians all around. I admit new believer may be more filled with the spirit then I ever was, however don’t let selfishness prevent you from caring your cross and experiencing Christ’s glory. |
| Name: | Juan |
| E-mail address: | jfsrulz@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I was approached by UBF back in 1992 when I was at Northeastern. They were very pushy and persistent. I should have never agreed to go to their prayer service because they were like a wedge, once I gave them a little they inserted themselves more and more into my life. I was there during the Samuel Lee era and his doctrine was very domineering, like a cult, but with a business end to it. I felt his moslty Korean followers saw him like a God. There is so much to speak off. My life has never been better ever since I left. God is the reason for everything and UBF is not above God. Reject UBF's advances, it is a very dangerous organization. |
| Name: | William760 |
| Comments: | I was a member turned "Shepard" at the Wright College UBF from mid 1989 until early 1992. I'll summarize my experiences: I witnessed an arranged marriage up until the wedding; the leaders made up bad things about me to the female members within our chapter as well as Triton UBF and others; I was severely rebuked for going to the Triton UBF house because I didnt have my leader's permission; Also I was severely rebuked for missing a leader's meeting to attend a high school basketball game, which was on my calander EIGHT months prior; at one time, the leader literally took me by the arms and PUSHED me out of the house because I was angry about certain things; they decided to change my name!!!! The day when the leader hinted to me about my own arranged marriage, I decided to leave. I told my Bible teacher I was leaving and she attempted her own version of a bigtime guilt trip, as well as an indirect threat. I could go on and on with my own experiences, as well as the experiences of other ex-members Ive known. In my opinion, UBF doesnt care about their members. They only care about the power trip from controlling it's members and taking their money too. |
| Name: | JOLO |
| E-mail address: | N/A |
| Comments: | Watch out for this church. They are nothing short of a scam. The "church" pretends that they are innocent, and harmless, but this is not true. they are the exact opposite. why would this "church" go after college students? because this segment of the population are the easiest to manipulate, play games with and ultimately brainwash. Within the "church" college students are looked upon as prey and hopefully seen as a long term benefit remember it is what the "church" can get out of the students not the other way around. start young, is better than starting with someone who is older. if you are over 30 they do not want you. overall weak people are the prey. previously physical abuse was rampent, but this practice has ceased in the last few years. but mental abuse is still ongoing but not as direct as before i would tell anyone to stay away from this organization. really it is not a church but a business. Yes BUSINESS these people are something short of the north korean regime freedom of religion is why you have groups like this. people need to stand up and expose this false church from a former member. |
| Name: | HB |
| E-mail address: | headblanchard@gmail.com |
| Comments: | 'Then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free' (John 8:32) were the words that resounded in my heart and allowed me after a year and a half to leave UBF. Ironically at the same time this was also the verse used to recruit new freshmen students into 1:1 bible study or rather the truth to become committed members of UBF. The grace of our Lord seems almost comical now that I look back on it, during this intensive week of becoming an official group on (Ontario Canada) campus and recruiting new members God gave to this burnout UBFer the truth and set me free from the isolation, control and abuse, freeing me from the bondage of the thankfulness trap and man centered mission, restoring freedom to love Christ. Thank God oh Lord you are merciful. I thank God for those who rather than keep silent speak out, for many like me thought we were alone, the rebellious and stubborn sheep needing discipline. In my last days in UBF I sought some form of escape and struggled with God; a faith tied to tithing and works had left me resentful and far from Christ whom I loved. I thank God for revealing the truth through the truthful testimonies of others on Rescue UBF, I saw carbon copies of myself, a faith dying and suffocating (no reliance on the holy spirit). Oh Lord it is your light that makes everything visible. Amen. Free at last. Thank God Almighty, we are free at last. |
| Name: | sylvia |
| E-mail address: | svl1222@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I am currently attending UBF in downey. I have one to one bible studies and so far i have not found anything "fishy." I have also attended two worship services and they seem wonderful to me. Today while praying with my family i began to feel an urge to look up ubf on the internet. I came across your website and i was shocked. I am looking for a new church and i know God will lead me, but maybe God placed you in my way as a warning. Please write back and tell me more about UBF. Of course their websites seem wonderful and so do their services, but i feel God gave me that urge with a purpose. God bless each and every one of you. |
| Name: | Al Goff |
| E-mail address: | algoff@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | Hi all. Some of you may have known me as Shepherd John-Allen Goff from Washington UBF (79-92). How could UBF exist? It came to fill a void. Many of the Korean missionaries saw America becoming a spiritual wasteland. George Barna studies agree with them. Why do we have so much crime, sexual immorality, and broken families in America? It is because America forgot its roots. I did. But, I thank God someone asked me to study the Bible with them. They challenged me to repent and they “tried” to hold me accountable. That was the good about UBF. What went wrong? The leadership, from the top-down, thought that they did not need to be accountable to the “Church.” They became their own standard, became corrupted, and fell into temptation themselves, practicing all forms of abusive cult-like deceptive behavior. Now that "we" know we have been deceived, what should we do? First, stay faithful to Jesus, the true shepherd (Jn 10:11-14). Second, I know you have been hurt, but there is healing available. This website has many good resources. Third, stay in the Word (Jn 6:68). Fourth, learn how to love. Gary Chapman’s love languages books will give you practical biblically-based tools to renew your relationships with parents, spouse, and kids. And lastly, invite your neighbors and friends to your new church and have Bible study with them. You don’t need to be a UBF shepherd to invite someone, you only need to have been with Jesus (Acts 4:13). Blessings. |
| Name: | Davis Wang |
| E-mail address: | davis_wang2000@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | My family was interested in finding a Church to have fellowship with other Christians and seeking a relationship with other Christian families but I must also guard myself from "False Prophets." After attending UBF for nearly a year in Chicago I have come to my conclusion that it's definitely not for me. Their doctrine is "Shady" with their practice. I find it troublesome to see others like me who ignore the fact they go to UBF for God and not UBF. WHY??? There are plenty of other Churches to have fellowship with. I think UBF should be classified as a cult. There is no real practice between what they do and their real "Ulterior Motives." It's a front for greedy Korean leaders profiting from this. It's a shame that people are foolish enough to fall for UBF's tactics. I pray for UBF and it's members and that GOD would shine his light and reform this “Church.” I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed something wrong with UBF. |
| Name: | Nick T. |
| Comments: | Myra, Thank you for sharing your experinece and your assessment. I believe you are truthful and sincere. However, I believe you are not sufficiently familiar with the ubf or cults to make a general assessment that ubf is safe and the members are God filled. My main assessment of ubf are: the leaders are not qualified to teach the Bible, they are not trustworthy, and they are unaccountable. Bad combination. They have stolen most of the offerings for the past 40 years. They have harmed most people and families with whom they have come into contact. They have ruined the relationships between all the recruits and their parents and families. The bad leaders are just one aspect of the dangers at ubf. It is far better to go to a healthy ministry and get involved with healthy teachings, trustworthy people, and have a bright and blessed future. Myra, I hope you too can walk away from ubf to a healthy minsitry. As a suggestion for getting out, start with unattached Bible study at a reputable Bible college, and you will see the difference in one month. God bless you. |
| Name: | Myra |
| E-mail address: | myra.leung@gmail.com |
| Homepage URL: | http://daapspace.daap.uc.edu/~leungmj |
| Comments: | I've been at UBF for no more than a year and I admit I feel that it pressures me to do things I don't want to do. But these things aren't done to promote UBF, its to help my relationship with God. I am being selfish when I do not offer my whole self to God... I'll just say this, it's between you and God, not you and UBF. If you are growing in God with UBF, stick with it, but if you feel it is pulling you away from Him, don't go. UBF isn't meant for everyone. Please don't hinder people from not going. I've gotten to know many God driven, spirit filled Christians at UBF and I personally feel like i've grown being there. :) |
| Name: | Ed Bochnia |
| E-mail address: | edmond2325@sbcglobal.net |
| Comments: | Hi Everyone! Recovery from Chicago UBF has been a slow process, but steady. My marriage and family with two young children has remained intact. We welcome contact with other ex-UBFers who have forsaken the mind control paradigm for the grace of God. |
| Name: | Ana |
| E-mail address: | prayerwarrior_pslm7326@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | It took me a long time to get out. God broke me, he showed me and strengthened me, it all works out in Gods timing. Email anyone with questions/ and especially those who have decided to turn away from Christ because of their experience. thanks. In His Mercy <>< |
| Name: | DC |
| E-mail address: | greenfly7@inorbit.com |
| Comments: | I remember meeting a missionary while University of Maryland in 1991. I engaged him in conversation about scripture and was invited to study with him 1 on 1. I took the invitation and learned that I actually had more than a few friends already involved with UBF. After studying one on one for a while with this missionary Shepherd, I was invited to attend Sunday worship. I already had a home church and made that known, but was told my home church could not offer what UBF had. The pressure to be involved became so intense I ended up writing a letter to that Shepherd telling him: "Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom." He then stopped calling me. He ended up leaving UBF to attend another church. I ran into that missionary one day and he told me that he didn't believe UBF was fulfilling the great commission, so he had to leave. I think within the controlling power some had there, it was easy to become corrupt. Lord Bless UBF. May they find Freddom in Messiah. One Word: "Control Freaks make many into former or "Lost" Sheep. --Washington DC chapter |
| Name: | JP Garcia |
| E-mail address: | jpgarcia153@hotmail.com |
| Homepage URL: | http://www.google.com |
| Comments: | If anyone is in the UBF and reading this, I am begging you to leave the organization out of love. I am convinced that the UBF (as a whole) is a dangerous organization that does not rely on the Holy Spirit. They use the Word of God to their own advantage and try to brainwash people into their thinking. "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves." (Matthew 7:15) Jesus uses the term sheep's clothing to point out that they look good (close to perfect) on the outside, but inside they just want to destroy you. You can see this with the UBF, they act all caring and loving at first. Then they want you to spend all your time with them, doing what they want and how they want it even though it's wrong. You are free in Christ, don't submit to slavery again! |
| Name: | Black Sheep |
| E-mail address: | lisaww7@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I am writing this not to judge any one who is a ubf member but out of my own heart. I feel sorry for some of the people there. I have a sister who is very actively involved. I know shes a very good person at heart, but I feel she is being burdened by the pressures of other members "brain washing". I went to one of the conf. and they were studing the bible for over 16 hrs a day. and I could not take it so I had to leave the conf. People were very upset that we left for a few hours and they gave us havoc for it. I was just coming as a visitor, but everyone was refering to me as a sheep. Which ironicly should be a great compliment because jesus even in the bible was a sheep ( the lamb of God who takes away our sin) But in their terms a sheep is a baby christian. I know I have a lot of spiritual growing to do In God. But that should be a personal thing. A lot of people in UBF seem like they are boastful about how many bible students (sheep) they have. Encouragement is one thing, but God wants us to be humble before him and others. Please read Matthew ..23.. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. If you want to bring someone to God I pray one does it with a pure heart and for the right reasons..... Matthew 6 verse 2 "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. |
| Name: | yyupo |
| Comments: | then take it to the Lord and not onto the internet, it is not of God to have this kind of dispute on the internet (re: this entire website) [This entire website is a dispute? Ironic in that this person seems to want to start a dispute on the internet. Anyway, it's more wishful thinking and a typical cult argument against dissent. And, yes, the comments will continue. -GS] |
| Name: | Always Praise God those on Both sides |
| Comments: | Hello to all, May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ abound in your hearts, I would just like to say a few things about everything on my mind regarding the UBF ministry. It is true that those in the UBF ministry must see themselves as sinners who make mistakes and are not perfect and whose practices may not be perfectly aligned with scripture [the good old "no ministry is perfect" argument again], yet those on the outside must realize that the Spirit of God transcends all boundaries and is in the work of many individuals in the UBF ministry. To say that those in the church should not be judged for unbiblical practices is wrong because the Bible does say to acknowledge [?] false teachings [difficult for the UBF-indoctrinated who are taught to accept unbiblical practices using your very arguments]. Yet to denounce the possibility that the Creator of Heaven and Earth, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords cannot save those who earnestly seek Him, worship him and love him AND who go to UBF is also wrong because they exist and I am one of many of them and the LORD deserves praises for the work of His hands. The times are changing [Thank you, Bob Dylan.] and the Spirit of God works in the most unlikeliest places. Why? Because God is Almighty and because he loves those who even go to this organization. Continue your website [Thanks, but we don't need your permission.] because I'm sure that the Lord is using it for his own purpose and will, but never forget that God's salvation belongs to those who truly love Him regardless of where they are and which ministry they are a part of because God is not bound by the walls of man or anything mankind can setup [But somehow God in UBF is never that concerned about spiritual abuse]. Strong disagreements between different Christians organizations about their doctrines and practices will always exist, (it has always existed, look at the history and development of the church) [and there have always been controlling cultic groups and sects like UBF and their many victims] but there is one thing UBF and non-UBF members who are Christian can agree on, those who truly seek our Lord and Savior with all their hearts will find Him, because God wants Himself to be found and praised for who He is. I hope that everyone reading this site, whichever side they may be on, may personally seek and worship Jesus Christ, because truth, revelation, and clarity about this situation comes from him alone, NOT THE MIND OR LOGIC OF ANY MAN ON ANY SIDE [Emphasis mine. So much for critical thinking. This sounds like a weak attempt on this UBF member's part to try to portray himself as someone in the middle of a dispute between two "sides" having some kind of doctrinal dispute. Just so no one is confused, this person is not in the middle, and this site is not about some doctrinal dispute; the focus here is real abuse in the UBF system and real victims. - GS] |
| Name: | ---------- |
| E-mail address: | ------------ |
| Comments: | I am so happy that the Spirit moved each of you to leave your lives at UBF (no matter how painful the departure was for you). May you continue to grow in God and realize that God's GRACE abounds. There is no one cookie cutter mold to growing closer to God(which UBF emphasizes). And our journey to coming to know God more and more should not be one of complete self denial and sacrifice. God wants us to be free in Him as well. I would like to recommend a book. Messy Spirituality - by Mike Yaconelli. |
| Name: | ex member msu ubf |
| Comments: | I too was taken in by the attention and love bombing of ubf. I can say that I always felt something was not really right at msu ubf. I finally put my finger on the problem there two years later. The leadership was in a power struggle to rule over the sheep and their lives. I met some good people there for the two years I was involved there. They want you to spend countless hours feeding sheep and attenting their fuctions to create a number to make it look good for the leaders. I could never figure out why people make a committment to poverty and think this is god's way of blessing them. If creating tremendous debts and self sacrifice will get you a little recognition with ubf then this is something I never did need and feel deeply sorry for those that have been taken and lost many good years of their lives to this group. find a reputable church and attend there and don't look back at all the controlling things of your past god will bring you back stronger than before. keep the faith. may god bring peace tou your lives moving forward . |
| Name: | Nick T. |
| E-mail address: | realnickt@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | The last James, James V, is right, the ubf argument about Gamaliel is typical distortion of the Bible. The ubf leaders teach Bible distortion on a grand scale. I have found that the problem at ubf is that the leadership is not genuine, it is not right with God. Even Judas was called by Jesus as an apostle, and walked with Jesus for three years, but he turned out to be an impostor. In only one passage of the Bible, II Corinthians 11:20,21 Paul wrote about the false apostles who were infiltrating the church at Corinth. I believe Lee and Barry have turned out to be false apostles, and their ubf system is the proof. Contrast real apostle versus false apostles like the following: "True apostles emphasise first and foremost obedience to the Holy Spirit, but false apostles tend to lay a lot of emphasis on people submitting to and obeying THEM. Now it is right to obey and respect church leaders set by God in authority, but church leaders must lead in the fear of God, and avoid a controlling spirit. False apostles may claim many revelations but these revelations do not set people free to rejoice in the Lord, but rather produce fear and bondage. "Revelations" such as "you must not eat pork" or "you must meet on the Sabbath" or the thousands of strange and bizarre unBiblical rules that some have accepted in the name of religion do not produce freedom, but rather, fear and bondage." (how about you must marry or divorce when we say?) ubf has more rules and deceptions to keep people in bondage than are mentioned anywhere in the Bible. It is not a sin to speak out against false teachings and false apostles. Speaking against them is the what the Bible calls for in numerous places, see passages like Titus 1:11-14. ubf never studies the exhortations against false teachers. Maybe they know they are false teachers? But for sure they know they are abusers and deceivers. To the other James, you can't deny the truth by throwing out a blanket statement like 'ubf leaders are doing God's work, so nobody can say anything.' WRONG! The Bible doesn't say anything like that at all, anywhere, ever. But ubf says this all the time. |
| Name: | James V |
| Comments: | Gamaiel wasn't a Christian nor was his word inspired. Acts was recording their conversation. Unfortunately, the previous James doesn't understand hermeneutic and blindly following UBF. The previous James doesn't understand how to interpret the Bible and is in fact twisting the Bible to meet his own end. Example of cults who use Biblical book are Mormons who use David and Solomon's polygamous ways to Jehovah witness who use the execution of Pharoah servant on his birthday to justify not celebrating birthdays. Rsqubf and EscapeUBF are great tools to discern the false teachings and sinful behavior of an aberrant "Christian" group called UBF. |
| Name: | james |
| E-mail address: | n/a |
| Comments: | Hi, Religious leaders also called Jesus, a servant of Satan. I hope that all of us can be free from the sin of judgement on others and stand before God as we are. God is working mightily in UBF and He will continue. In Acts, Gamaliel said, if the disciples of Jesus were not from God, they will be weakned later. But, if they were from God, the persecuters were comitting great sins against God and God's servants. I hope that you may not sin against God and God's servants in UBF by judging them. May God's Holy Spirit be with you [Maintainer's note: Such typical cult defense arguments. See http://exubf.org/writings/gamaliel.html.] |
| Name: | A Catholic |
| E-mail address: | hec50@hotmail.com |
| Homepage URL: | http://www.moviprofvd.org.mx |
| Comments: | Hi. I have read some testimonies and thoughts about UBF on this guestbook. And I have read pro and anti UBF testimonies. I think the true is contained in the life of Jesus Christ, as the gospels can say to us. I don't how much did mr Samuel Lee, but as I can read in this guestbook and other web pages, it seemed to be a dictator... I have a friend who belongs to UBF in Mexico, and I'm worried about she. I ask you to pray, if you are catholic to pray that powerful arm that we the catholics have: the rosary, and pray the Word of God, to help the world to find the love of God. I liked the testimony of Deniz Kucuk, and much others. Let's work for the Kingdom of Heaven!. Many Thanks for this site, God Bless you. |
| Name: | N/A |
| E-mail address: | N/A |
| Comments: | Hello, I will keep my name and email confidential, but at the same time I want to express my opinions about UBF. I was never officially a member of the church, but I did study one-to-one bible study with a long time Korean UBF member for quite some time. (3 years) I will not name the Missionary I had bible study with, due to legality/slander issues. I always believed that something was wrong with the Church. Something strange, not right, but I could never pinpoint exactly what was wrong. Some people might say, how could I judge UBF if I was never a actual active member, but even though I was not a member, I could sense something was really strange. I have been reading many of the websites regarding UBF, and personal ex-member testimonies and agree with many of the former members. I always kept a suspicious distance, and really never wanted to get close to the church. Yes, I was a little scared and unsure. I felt the only way to protect myself was to not get involved. I went to a few conferences, but that was about it. I recently stopped attending one to one bible study, and I am happy that I had the courage to stop cold-turkey, and not have to use UBF bible study as a emotional crutch in my life. Actually this was the second time I stopped one-to-one bible study with the same missionary. The first time was about two years ago. I stopped attending for roughly 6 to 8 months and this so called Missionary would call me every Sunday leaving me the same message like, "Have a Good Day", sometimes appear in front of my apartment building with his wife, and a few times even rang my doorbell. What a weird guy. Definitely a form of harrasment. Eventually he stopped, but silly me eventually went back for bible study with the same missionary, up until recently when I finally said to myself enough is enough. This is getting rediculous. The whole point of UBF is to make a person think and act like a robot. They want people to conform to their standards, and it you do not conform to their standards then they nicely rebuke you, as in my case. I believe that they really never kick people out, but only play psychological games with their sheep. I beieve the pupose of having weekly bible studies, sometimes four to five times a week as in my case, is so that some form of control can be imposed over the sheep. If the missionary believes that the sheep is rebellious, or not wanting to conform as in my case, then the weekly one-to-one bible studies will continue, and thats all. Other UBF programs will not be introduced to the sheep unless the Missionary believes that his/her brainwashing has taken effect. In my case the actual brainwashing of me never took place. I believe that if the Missionaries think that you are not 100% of the way they want you to be, then they are scared that if they bring you into other UBF meetings, bible studies etc, that somehow the rebellious sheep might tarnish, or bring down morale on the other sheep/members. At the same time if the Missionaries believe that you are not ready, they are also scared that they might lose a sheep by bringing them to quickly into the system. The sheep might get scared off. Basically the church is a system, and not really a Church in my opinion. It is all about THOUGHT CONTROL, MONEY, and NUMBERS (the more people the better) So if anyone is planning on joining UBF, my advice stay away and find a mainstream church. This church I believe does not really care for its members. But only uses them. Thank you, |
| Name: | Michelle |
| E-mail address: | michelle1016@comcast.net |
| Comments: | I was a member of Triton UBF for 8 years, from 1992-2000, from the age of 16-24 years old. I believe that young people are idealistic and impressionable. I believe that UBF exploits this, and uses it to systematically prevent people from being individuals. I believe that it also inhibits young people from maturing as adults who are well balanced and able to make their own decisions. For 2 days i have been reading things on this website. I am sad to see that not many former members from Triton UBF have spoke up about the totalitatian environment that went on there. Personally, for me, the best medicine has been to not think about this at all. At the age of 24, i was ill prepared to live without the cult. I had been estranged from my family. The members of UBF were all of my friends. I was disgusted when a member told me that i had to move out of the apartment i shared with some "shepherdesses" because i had went to a night club and was exhibiting "unspiritual" behaviour. My name was on the lease! No one has the right to tell someone where to live, who to marry, where to work, where to go to school, what type of job to get, what ones life goal should be! young people should be left to freely make these descisions on their own. It is wrong to have others shun someone because they do not think as the leaders want them too. And equally as sad it is to not EXPOSE the evil deeds of the members! INCLUDING adultery! but NOT LET teenagers and young adults follow their heart and learn to associate with the opposite sex by dating!~ this, among other things, is why i left. Now, i am done with organised religion. It has tainted it for me. I have a lot of nightmares, I am studying the Wiccan religion. I believe that people are free to worship as they please, without fear of condemnation, whether it is the traditional American Christian God, or Gods who have been around for much longer. feel free to email me. |
| Name: | JP |
| E-mail address: | RaptureRdy_011@hotmail.com |
| Homepage URL: | http://www.google.com |
| Comments: | Hey, I like what you guys are doing on this site. It really helped me to see the truth about UBF. One of the main reasons I'm leaving UBF is that they have no communion. Also, the leadership of the UBF kind of seemed weird to me. Again, I agree to mostly what this site has to say about UBF. Thanks UBF but no thanks. I don't need a twisted interpretation of the bible. I don't need a "shepherd" to find out what the will of God is. All I need is the good shepherd Jesus Christ to show me the way. |
| Name: | Walt |
| Comments: | In the 30 months or so I was involved with a Chicago UBF chapter I was employed in nearly every imaginable capacity with them - as a Bible student, a testimony sharer, conference messenger, music leader, drama writer/actor, and once a group Bible-study leader. Finally, after about two years, I met Jesus... but not through UBF, it was my local church I'd been attending on Sundays. And once my relationship with God began to flourish outside UBF, He began to convict me that it was time to leave their brand of burdensome manipulation behind and seek Him happily and wholeheartedly through a ministry I could support. I had always kept UBF at arms' length but had refused to read the things I knew were out there on the Internet about them, lest it cloud my judgment. Now that I've had the courage to read them, I'm fascinated and deeply frightened by what had been going on under my nose for so long. Keep up the good work! |
| Name: | Freedom in Christ |
| Comments: | At UBF the level of a believer's spititual maturity is measured according to how active and devoted that person is in the ministry. I believe this to be wrong. Spiritual maturity has nothing to do with works. It's not about how many Bible students one has, or how many weekly testimonies one writes. It's about seeing things the way God sees them, period. And the Great Commission is not about getting people to join your church or my church, either. It's about saving souls. I was a member of UBF in the Los Angeles area for two and a half years. During that time I was treated with much kindness, warmth and respect. Many there knew my life's story. In the few months prior to joining, I was a lonely, alcoholic porn actor who came very close to suicide. Incredibly, when I chose to leave UBF in order to attend another church that is nearer to my home, no one so much as asked me or even cared as to why I had made that choice. Everyone, including the senior missionaries, simply said their goodbyes and quickly forgot about me. And why? Because I was not considered to be a "useful" shepherd. I was not as active as others were, therefore I was not seen as a precious soul that God wants to keep from going astray. Simply put, in their eyes I was nothing more than just a number, an expendable number that could easily be replaced. How sad that people who call themselves "shepherds" could have such a distorted view about God's love for others. I truly pray that God opens their eyes and hearts to the truth, because in spite of their ignorance they genuinely love the Lord and wish to serve Him. |
| Name: | Your Brother |
| E-mail address: | pyonij@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Hi, Brothers and Sisters in Jesus Christ. I happened to visit this site today so accidently, and now I feel so sorry. When I was a freshman, I left UBF. Because I wanted to sin. I liked this world better than Jesus Christ, though I said "I like Jesus best" with my lip. I chose the freedom that the world gave, not Jesus, my Savior. My body looked happy, but my soul was so sad. So was my body, in fact. I don't know well what made you guys left UBF, but I don't think this is a good way. I'm sure UBF shepherds treated you all with the heart of Jesus Christ, just as they showed me. Just think it over. It took a lot of time for me to find the exact reason why I left UBF. I really hope you guys will fight against the Satan, not against our Brothers and Sisters in Jesus. |
| Name: | mari lee |
| E-mail address: | catmari2000@sbcglobal.net |
| Homepage URL: | http://yahoo.com |
| Comments: | got a good website keep up the good work.have a happy palmsunday |
| Name: | YoungAe Han |
| Comments: | I left the UBF after almost 6 years... I met Jesus in the church for the first time not in the UBF. This helped me to leave UBF: believe me it wasn't easy thing to leave because UBF backslashes those people who left which I found very strange. I don't know whether I would have courage to leave UBF if I had met the Jesus in UBF for the first time. Clearly, they are doing wrong in the sense that they don't allow people have their own choice of lives and being UBF member together. I think I did a right thing for myself to leave there...... Useful web page... |
| Name: | morris |
| E-mail address: | mose@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | i think students are wise enough t know good or bad things. i have been in ubf since first year and at that time the leaders were not active and feared missionaries. we changed alot of things and right now UbF is a place to be. those who claim wrong things against ubf are wasting thier time. be part of change and get involved. stop blocking others from learning the word of God. i believe that missionaries can accomadate any person so long as you prove to do the right thing. they are poor in public relarions and cultural differences but work on them and so se for yourself. |
| Name: | James |
| E-mail address: | Driamspock@Yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I was formaly in UBF and I hope I do not seem like I am juging UBF but, I was part of the UT chapter and I was only in it for about a year. The main reason why I left UBF is because I did not want to go to UT anymore. I decided I wanted to go to a private college and recieve my degree in nursing and my teacher told me that I have to hang around the PHD's and sheepards at the church and to stay at UT if I wanted to make it through life and to be a stronger man of Christ. I really hated it there. I could not tell them about my girl friend (which I am getting married to this August), I was looked down on for not going to church and going to work instead one sunday (I had to switch days because my cousin was killed in a car accident and the funeral was on that monday and I had to work so I switched with a friend and just to mention I was one of the barrers who carried the casket). Not only that, but like for example my Bible teacher was a hippocryte (not saying I am perfect but I was not a hypocryte about things). I would get "rebuked" for not reading my papers I wrote word for word (I would take notes down and go from there and sometimes I would get "rebuked" for not writing enough even though I felt I wrote my complete answere) and the one thing I really hated was that our minister, DR. Paul Hong made me feel so intimadated. You had to either call him Dr. or Shepard... and by the way, everyone there got angry when I did not want to be called a sheep and then my name. Sorry if my e mail sounds a little winney or anything but I thought that place was a cult. I could not date and I had to wait. I think God has blessed me with Holly and not to mention, I am a very happy ActiveCatholic (I am not saying cahtolics are the best relgion or anyhting becasue anyone who believes christ saved us is there in the ball park but I was just mentioning that I loved being a cahtolic). One other thing that I would like to point out is that I was a high school graduate of 2004 and when I started going to UBF I was only 18. I had to have a note from my mom permitting me to go to church. My point is, I believe if you want to learn about God, you don't have to have parental permission and besides that, I was legally and adult. If anyone wants to go to UBF thats fine, everyone has their right to worriship, don't get me wrong but, I don't feel you have to have parental permission to do. |
| Name: | chas |
| E-mail address: | chtaca2@lycos.com |
| Comments: | I am a former member of UBF in Toledo Ohio. I believe that it should be fully understood by the Christian community at large that during my time there, almost 6 years, there was absolutely NO administering of the Lord's Supper or water baptism. (Water baptism was disallowed by M. Samuel Lee of Chicago because, according to him, there was too much controversy over the issue). These two sacraments are ALWAYS marks of a genuine church. Where they are absent and/or ignored a counterfeit for that church MUST exist. No present member can honestly deny this statement as fact. If these things have been instituted it would most likely have been due to outside pressure. |
| Name: | Sana |
| E-mail address: | ansari_sana@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | I used to be part of the UBF ministry at Northeastern IL University.After 2 years I finally had the courage to call it quits.Thank God!I swear those people are a bunch of religious fanatics!All they do is brainwash people with their silly nonsense.I pray that people don't get involved with this crazy cult.UBF must be stopped! |
| Name: | A Reply to Mike K. |
| E-mail address: | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
| Comments: | Repentance does not erase the past. It especially does not erase the hurt and emotional scars that many Ex-UBF members will carry for years to come. Repentance makes us right with God. However, we must still take responsibility for our actions. For these reasons perhaps it would be good for the RSQUBF site to stay up even if UBF leaders repent. Perhaps this site will serve as a source of accountability, that is if repentance ever happens among the entire UBF leadership. At the present time it seems far of or even impossible. However, I will still pray to the ONLY true and living God for the repentance and deliverance of UBF leadership. I do not wish for UBF to continue even if repentance takes place. I simply hope for repentance that so many emotionally wounded individuals can hear the words of repentance. May the Father continue to heal the broken hearts of the wounded and weary. |
| Name: | Mike K. |
| Comments: | I think this site can be closed down when the UBF leaders have issued a statement of repentance for their past sins, naming, exposing, rejecting and repenting of them. UBF should put up a website with a sincere statement of repentance and also a statement of how such misuse of the precious Message of the Gospel will be prevented in the future. Also, UBF must clearly reject it's Korean Confucianistic origin and adhere to Biblical standards ONLY. If those things are given, this site has lost it's purpose and some may even come back to UBF to help them grow into a new, repentant Christian life. |
| Name: | God's precious child |
| Comments: | What is church? Frankly speaking, it is the place of sinners. It is the place where the most notorious sinners gather. And it is only by the grace of God that we are saved. It is only by His love and His will that we be used as His servants to further His word. God allowed the leaders in this world to become leaders for a purpose. There’s no mistake in His grand plan. [Does this mean God approves of all that such leaders have done? - Ed.] |
| Name: | ubf member |
| Comments: | I have been in UBF for quite a while and have discussed the issues mentioned on the website with other "Growing American Shepherds" and have concluded that much of the discussions are irrelevant. It is my belief that those truly/sincerely in search of God will find Him with a geniune heart and, of course, the Word of God. I willingly acknowledge that the intentions of RSQUBF were good and possibly even godly...UBF is changing. The demographics of the church (at least in the case of Chicago UBF)are dramatically changing. Leadership appears to rest on sincere Americans who love God and understand American culture (especially its sensitivities) and "the sins of the past". I know these people, who have become leaders of the church. They are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I gladly welcome and challenge all critics to observe UBF more closely in order to find the truth. |
| Name: | Little Flower |
| E-mail address: | shimmering_dawn@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | When I first came to UBF I felt that for the first time, I began to have a personal relationship with God the only reason why I have faltered is because I have a huge active christian family that saw me getting pulled away from them and they immediately acted to pull me out of the church. I know that there are some things going on with UBF that are kinda weird but I think that the church is not as bad as it probably used to be. I miss the friends that I made while I was active in the church and I still study the Bible the way we did. I think UBF may be almoast ready to grow into a healthy church if it loosened up just a little. The New generation is a lot more ready to take UBF prime time if they can get the older generation to understand that the level of control is not needed because the message is valid. For any current UBF in Chicago, just know that we love you and we know that 99% of the people in the church are good people. Some of us are 007/UBF :) |
| Name: | Mike K. |
| Comments: | While the rsqubf site didn't help me get out of UBF (I didn't know about that site back then... had to make it on my own) I can say that to be able to talk about my thoughts with other people who won't simply call me "unspiritual" or "disobedient" or whatnotever is a great help. The forum provides a good opportunity to do so. This site has helped me a lot to become clear on the course of my Christian life and to live a dedicated Christian life AFTER the cult experience. Thanks for that. |
| Name: | X HAPPY AGAIN MEMBER |
| Comments: | Hi to all who are reading this. I was in UBF for 5 years. They found me in college and after I graduated, I continued the study. Some positive points on UBF - GREAT Bible study. Helped me to repent of my old ways of life and live a new life in Christ Jesus. Great idea to evangelize college students. I like that idea. However, I got deeper and deeper into their brainwashing. That is when I finally realized that I needed to get out. I did not look at this web site, and I had no help from anyone. I decided by myself that it was not right. I was one of those people who had a marriage problem. Well, once I left, I found the most wonderful man I have ever met (truly a blessing from God) and married him. A God fearing man. And we are not sinning by getting married. What we have done is very beautiful. We go to church together and study the Bible together. And we share God's word with other people when the time presents itself. Whats sad is it is very hard for me to do things in life without that small voice in my head that tell me how to do it the UBF way. They aren't completely wrong, but wrong in enough areas to make me want to leave and finally be able to communicate with my friends and family again. And get married to the man I love. I am done with them and hope that for the current members, that what they are doing feels right to them. And I hope for those who are unhappy with UBF, that they can get out of it and be free of those terrible guilt feelings. May the GRACE of JESUS be with each one of you!! |
| Name: | Lewis, Giga |
| E-mail address: | gm-lewis@wiu.edu |
| Homepage URL: | http://www.livejournal.com |
| Comments: | I have recently left UBF after 3 years of torture and am glad to see that there are so many others who have done the same thing. |
| Name: | Rebecca Hendrix |
| E-mail address: | psalms91st@aol.com |
| Comments: | I did not realize that the man (SL) has died, I only hope that he repented. |
| Name: | Rebecca hendrix |
| E-mail address: | psalms91st@aol.com |
| Comments: | I knew former member Kathy Calabrese personally. My mother used to baby sit for her children all of the time. We used to wonder why she always looked so worn out, so sad, she hardly ever smiled. We knew that she loved God and was a Christian, but we also sensed that something was not right about the "church" she attended. I am just utterly amazed that anyone who know the Bible and Our Lord Jesus Christ could ever believe that this man Samuel Lee is a Christian. He is everything opposite. I only hope that the people at UBF who have a sincere desire to follow God will get out of there as soon as possible, this is indeed a CULT. No true man of GOD would ever tell a womand to kill her unborn child. No man of God would ever force or coerce a woman or couple to put thier child up for adoption. A true man of GOD would tell people to beat each other up, or make them walk barefoot for miles in the winter to "train" them. Where can show me in the Bible that God, our God of Love who sent his only son to Die a horrible death on the cross so "we can have Life and that more abundantly" would do these things or have someone else order them done. Jesus was full of love and he was the expression of the Father, the people that he rebuked were the "religious" ones, those who thought that they could tell others the right way, but didn't do them themselves. Jesus did nothing but love and care for people, and those of us who truely belong to him, will try our best to be like Jesus. Tell me how this Mr. Samuel Lee is anything at all like Jesus. He is not! Let God and the holy spirit lead you into all truth! For he surely will, if you just listen to his voice instead of a man who is so full of himself and satan, that only a God of love would let him live as long as he has, in hopes that he may himself come to the truth. May God bless all of you who truely desire to know him, and if you are still a member of UBF, please get out and find a good church, where people lift each other up and help them grow in love, not fear. P.S.UBF has some of the same teachings as Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses, and they are considered a cult! |
| Name: | present-member |
| Comments: | Hello. First of all I would like to thank the initiative taken by all former members. Without you speaking up in and out of the UBF circle nothing would change. I am still a member after a couple of years. It was observed by many that my great problem lay in trust. Well, in UBF I have found that I can trust. Nobody is perfect, and I would like to say that despite many differences, my life and decisions have remained my responsibility. In no way have I allowed the ministry to rule over my life, if they did I would leave. I have accepted study, perhaps more, but that is a serious choice which must be accepted with careful consideration. Only through God may people come to see that a calling requires time. It is not a vocation. God Bless those hurt by UBF and God Bless the move to right the wrongs. |
| Name: | Tom Fosler |
| E-mail address: | rsqubf@netzero.net |
| Homepage URL: | http://come.to/rsqubf |
| Comments: | It is so awesome to see God working extraordinarily through ordinary people like us, challenging UBF's ways and boldly presenting the truth to people who are hurting in UBF. I hope that the efforts of those who continue to look to these sites may continue to draw people away from the perilous lifestyle and doctrine of UBF. God bless everyone! |
| Name: | sorry |
| Comments: | I too liked UBF for much of the time I was in it. However, I wish someone had told me upfront about its past and what it has tolerated from leaders. If I had known I would never have spent so much time in it. |
| Name: | DG Jung |
| E-mail address: | dohngeunjung@yahoo.com |
| Homepage URL: | http://rsqubf.fortunecity.net/documents/external/external.html |
| Comments: | Dear new and curious UBF members and their concerned families and friends, unfortunately the "more balanced and sober views" of UBF are few and far between and written mainly by UBF itself. The rather sobering views of UBF by many neutral parties have been listed at the URL above. Please carefully consider these third party views of UBF and consider whether you really want continued involvement in UBF for yourself or for your loved one. Through its continued denials and rationalizations of cult-like practices, UBF damns and demonizes itself; it needs no help at that from this site. |
| Name: | Paul Kim |
| E-mail address: | paulkim16@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | For any new or curious members of UBF looking through this webpage, I hope that you'll consider a more balanced and sober view of this ministry than the one presented at this webpage. UBF certainly has it's faults, but it's also been a great blessing to many, including myself. UBF does not deserve the harsh treatment and demonizing it's recieved here. Hate does not define love. |
| Name: | Paul Thomas Evans |
| E-mail address: | mound.builder@netzero.com |
| Comments: | Keep up all the good work!! You are doing a vital service to those whose minds and spirituality were poisoned--perhaps forever--by UBF. Missionary Samuel Lee would be very hot under the collar about your post. He would be pretty burned up about it, don't you think? ;-) |
| Name: | One of the 2nd gen |
| Comments: | Hmmm, don't worry... I am not really RCSUBF hater... I am in NJ UBF, and i am stuck.... my family is almost, let me say totally brainwashed... but i do also believe that UBF has some issues... many UBF people who eventually comes here and leave comments with rages, listen to me... i believe in God... and I believe UBF is fruitful in many ways... none of us here is agnostic... i love UBF's bible study, they are deep and great, they awakes me all the time... They do have korean accents, but they are nice people for sure... i know that now... UBF believe in what they do believe... what is the point of UBF? The light in in the Bible, wasn't it that point? UBF now have culture that was not really mentioned in the Bible, and has rules that is not mentioned in scripture... Those are what we don't want... maybe it's just me who feel it this way... but for certain, in NJ they do... marriage by faith, i do not really find it in the scripture... well, i might find some more examples, but i can not find right now... i am little not too persuasive, am i?[haha] i find UBF changing more and more... i find it glad... The shepherds who were raised in America is more open and understanding... I believe UBF will really get better soon... but right now.. i think it needs some change.. |
| Name: | G.M. |
| Comments: | Hello! I would like to recommend a book to and visitors to this website (written by a woman Korean woman who is unrelated to UBF),its a great book all Christians should read.Its called "Heaven is so Real" by Choo Thomas Please check it out, it is far more than what you might expect and you will see what I mean if you go to the link below and read the customer reviews --what they say is very true, as I'm reading it now myself. http://cbw.strang.com/c.cgi?ProdID=2277&Source=INTNET May it bless you. |
| Name: | Eddy Vega |
| E-mail address: | evega@peoplepc.com |
| Comments: | I'm a former member of Triton College UBF. Any former members write me to see how things are going. |
| Name: | former member |
| Comments: | UBFmember, this is a free and open board. People post what they will. Answer this, why doesn't UBF address the allegations of abuses and cover ups? Seems to me that if they dealt with the problems rather than ignoring them and covering up they would get alot more accomplished, no? |
| Name: | ubfmember |
| Comments: | opinions coming from member of ubf: as a member of ubf, it is hard for me to believe all the things you have said on your website. i'm not in any position to claim anyone is lying, but this website is blatantly biased. you make Dr. Lee sound like a pale shriveled little man with long finger nails. give the dr.Lee thing a rest, after all he has passed away. and perhaps you could have the least bit of regard for the people's lives you may be ruining. for example with the Lt. Sarah thing, even though it is not true, have some common decency and be a little discreet with your opinions. what if one of her kids came to this website? and perhaps you should stop babbling about how bad ubf is, and move on, and talk about your own purpose. and if your purpose is to slander and destroy ubf, that is pretty sad. *for people visiting this website, don't believe everything that was said here. judge from your own experience. |
| Name: | Esther Ku |
| E-mail address: | ku@funnyku.com |
| Homepage URL: | http://www.funnyku.com |
| Comments: | Great revamp of the Rescue UBF website. I am a second generation missionary kid from Triton UBF, a chapter near Chicago. Russian-dancing, orchestra-playing, long skirt-wearing and all! Please feel free to contact me. Anybody. Especially kids who were born into the cult. Or anybody living in Boston. 6 years out of the cult and I am doing great! Just check out my website. Thanks, you've been a great audience. Signed, Lost sheep since 1997. |
| Name: | Ed Bochnia |
| E-mail address: | Shepherd2325@aol.com |
| Comments: | Thanks be to God for those who've spoken up and maintain this witness on the Internet. The phenomenon of Thought Reform cults requires constant diligence and publicity. "Sunshine is the best disinfectant." Thanks to all the ex-UBF people who opened my eyes and encouraged me when I left UBF. Recovery is a slow process. |
| Name: | Opened eyes |
| E-mail address: | openedeyes@open.com |
| Comments: | I am thankful for this website. It has been very useful and eye opening for me. Whatever the truth may be at least I have information from both perspectives. Ultimately we pray for all parties; at the same time I feel like God has granted me the tools to be wise through this site. Thank you, so very much! My prayers are with UBF and non UBF as well. |
| Name: | ubf |
| Comments: | Second gen, I responded to your posting here in the discussion section. Please check it out and respond as I would really like to discuss UBF with you if you are willing. |
| Name: | RSQUBF |
| Homepage URL: | http://rsqubf.fortunecity.net |
| Comments: | secondgen posted some messages privately that were switched to public. You may respond to these IN THE DISCUSSION FORUM. If secondgen and others continue to use this guestbook in an inappropriate manner, their added messages will be deleted and they will be banned from using this guestbook. Use the discussion forum and the guestbook for the functions they were created for. Be mature and straightforward, not subversive and ignorant. Whether or not you like our site, the Lord Jesus knows all of our thoughts and actions and will hold us accountable to them, even if you don't believe it. "Walk in a manner worthy of the Lord", and "bring all thoughts captive to Christ". |
| Name: | secondgen |
| Comments: | Open my eyes? How can I open my eyes? By leaving the ministry when it's so fruitful right now? you guys don't know. I will admit that in the past it was pretty wierd and hurt people, but it still produced fruit. Anyway, my point is that what's happening NOW matters. The end justifies the means? Well, why don't you open YOUR eyes first? Did you read anything that I said? I think you did, because you know for yourself that I'm correct by giving such a weak argument, not that I'm here to argue. only to thank you guys for helping us get stronger and stronger. Thanks. |
| Name: | secondgen |
| E-mail address: | krnoonyu@aol.com |
| Comments: | The fact that you can't respond to my statements with reasonable discussions proves that you guys know I'm right. The work of God IS going on in our church admist opposition. It's okay. I'm sorry that you guys are the opposition and the persecutors. But continue. It only makes us stronger. You guys are supporting us. Thank you. Moreover, your "ministry" is going nowhere. This website is supposed to help those who suffered cuz of UBF? How? By discussing your misfortunes in UBF? That's not a good way. All of you should then go to Jesus and you can find rest in him, not by discussing your misfortunes in life. That gets you nowhere, it just reopens your "wounds." Just go to Jesus and you can find rest. Not in a website. You guys are digging each other's holes. That's bad. |
| Name: | Mike K. |
| E-mail address: | michaelkuesters@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | Thank you for your precious effort into keeping this site up and running. Unlike UBF'ers, I would say that the misdeeds of the past are well remembered - first, we cannot let unrighteousness go on under the pretense that it's past - if it's not repented, it will be remembered before God - and man. - second, we must warn future generations of a spiritual trap. Both UBF individuals and UBF as an organization proved spiritually deceptive in the past. We must not repeat history, yes, we must go on! Without stepping into the same pitfalls over and over - and for this, this site helps! |
| Name: | Chris |
| E-mail address: | cito@online.de |
| Comments: | Please note that this is a Guestbook, not a discussion forum. There is a discussion forum as well. To the person who wrote the previous entry. All you were saying was: "The end justifies the means." The inofficial motto of UBF. Please don't continue to discuss here, but go to the discussion forum. I hope you will open your eyes some day. Thank you to the webmaster for the nice and helpful site. It is surely not a hate site. It is about concern and help and warning of a "spiritual" trap. |
| Name: | secondgen |
| E-mail address: | krnoonyu@aol.com |
| Comments: | "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." -- Ephesians 5:11 I saw the verse above when I first entered this site. I must say that it is an inappropriate verse, as well as all the other verses, to describe UBF. Is UBF fruitless? No. In fact, it has produced much more fruit than this hate site has. It has actually helped people to come to know Jesus better, and ultimately GOd worked in their hearts so that many could meet Jesus personally. If you're calling evangelization a deed of darkness, then you are blaspheming. And by the way, you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit in that matter. Of all sins, this is the only sin that Jesus does not forgive. Maybe I'm wrong about you blaspheming. Hopefully. Sure UBF does need changes, but you guys don't really care. You only wish to attack UBF. THat is doing nothing. You are instead HELPING us because you are persecuting us. Don't decieve yourselves in thinking that you are right. Dr. Sam Lee has already passed away. Don't dwell in the past. I was at the summer conference recently and I saw JIm St. Lawrence and Amy Young. I will admit that no church is perfect. and i will also admit that there are those who only are in UBF to serve UBF. But how can u generalize for the rest of the church? WHy are you bringing personal matters up and start blaming the whole church for individuals' mistakes? If we are nothing but a worthless cult, then why is the work of God going on in so many countries. YOU CAN'T DENY that God is using us. YOU CAN'T DENY that the work of God is going on. If you do, then you have serious issues and you need to repent, I'm sorry. If nothing we're doing is the work of God, then what is? ARE YOU doing the work of God? ARE YOU doing what Jesus would do? Stop looking at specks of sawdust in other PEOPLE's eyes (not CHURCH) and look at the plank in your own eyes. Did you ever stop and think about that? Did you ever stop and think if you're doing what God wants you to do? Because all you're doing is maybe revealing some truthful matters, but ultimately leading others away from God. That's horrible. AND DON'T EVEN TRY to justify yourselves by saying that you're not leading others away from God but to God by leading them away with your own personal problems. You're selfish. You risk other people's lives by complaining about your life problems with the certain people in the church. im sorry. you're wrong. EEEHHHH wrong. let's count the fruit. UBF: 89 countries with the gospel....RUBF: people who left and continue complaining even though judging is a sin. You even admitted yourselves that UBF is unreformable in one of your web addresses. THAT"S OUTRAGEOUS. Then why keep attacking with no avail? Because you love us? I don't think so. If you loved us you would pray for us. And if God answers those prayers we'd obviously know right? Well guess what? Even if you did pray for us, your prayers are not being answered. You don't love us. We love you. At the conference and everywhere else we prayed for you. You met Jesus personally in UBF after God worked in your hearts. Maybe you were treated bogusly by certain individuals. So then you start complaining about the WHOLE church. GET OUT OF HERE. JUST STOP DWELLING IN THE PAST. KEEP RUNNING THE RACE, that is if you're running at all. YOU"RE NOT DOING THE WORK OF GOD. WWJD? CERTAINLY NOT THIS. UBF has been fruitful for 40 years. Sorry that your reformwork has collapsed. Repent. |
| Name: | eric raasch |
| E-mail address: | eric.raasch@web.de |
| Comments: | hello brothers and sisters in Chist! Hi folks... It´s now 6years that I left ubf-Stuttgart/Germany. Thank you for your work on this website. May it be fruitful in any way. I see that there are so many wounded ex-ubfpeople outthere ( naturally there are), and lots of emotional argueing ( just like in my head still sometimes..). But I myself did not suffer all these bad methods and subtle, verbal manipulations. But I saw, how my fellows were treated...what`s on my mind about ubf? "do you want us to go and pull them up? No! Because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them..." Don´t jugde, don´t count sins, just name them, stand to Jesus , stand to the truth. Show spine ( german talks) greetings! If you want to mail, do it! |
| Name: | Paul |
| Comments: | Acts 5:38-39 is concerning people who are faithful to Christ and his Word. That is NOT UBF. UBF dishonors Christ and hurts people through its unaccountable authoritarian practices that in the past has forced people to have abortions, has had people beaten, has covered up adultery, and has split families apart. ABORTIONS AND BEATINGS AND COVERUPS ARE NOT FROM GOD! |
| Name: | Joe |
| E-mail address: | drchungj@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | "These things you have done and I kept silent; you thought I was altogether like you. But I will rebuke you and accuse you to your face." (Psalm 50:21) UBF would love to have people "leave them alone," but only a couple of weeks ago, they tried to get the RSQUBF web site pulled off the Internet. UBF and other abusive and cult-like groups continue to exist, not because they are in God's good graces, but because God is patient and slow to anger. But his patience will not last forever. |
| Name: | acts 5:38-39 |
| Comments: | "Therefore, in this present case i advise you: leave these men alone! let them go! for if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God." You people are fighting against God's work. if it was merely a human institution, then it wouldve fallen 39 years ago. I will pray for you people to repent -chicago ubf member |
| Name: | Albert Lee |
| E-mail address: | albertlee1980@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | I am much and much glad to find this web site. I left Korea chapter 2 years ago. I want to send my testimony of life. If possible, please allow me to know. Albert Lee |
| Name: | Daniel Song |
| E-mail address: | daniel.song@gmx.de |
| Comments: | Dear friends! I had been missionay in UBF Heidelberg for 18 years. Now I am writing a book about UBF. It will take one year because I must read many books and study the bible totally new to see clearly why UBF is a bad cult. Pls pray for me. |
| Name: | Karla |
| E-mail address: | karla@roundway.net |
| Homepage URL: | http://www.roundway.net |
| Comments: | Greets from the big apple thought your site was cool, karla |
| Name: | Dromrac Wood |
| E-mail address: | dromrac@preptekreality.com |
| Comments: | I want to thank Joe and Kathy Calabrese for their love and sincerity during my time with UBF. I believe Joe to be a sincere and humble man of God. I learned so much about humility and the fear of God from him. God bless him and his family. |
| Name: | amy young |
| E-mail address: | joemattluke@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | hi m. please let us know if there's any way we can help you. I'm glad you found this website!! |
| Name: | m. |
| Comments: | I attend the UBF in Chicago. I was harassed by my Shepherds, told to "beg God's forgiveness" when I missed church, urged to disobey my parents' wishes and stay in Illinois for the Christmas service.. Finally, terrified, I looked online to see if UBF might be a cult. I found this site. Thanks. |
| Name: | amy young |
| E-mail address: | joemattluke@hotmail.com |
| Comments: | Hi all. My old email address had't been working for a long time and now that I have a new one I wanted to give it to you all. Particularly, I am happy to get in touch with any old friends in Chicago UBF who are willing. And better yet I'm available at 630-922-6011. |
| Name: | J |
| E-mail address: | - |
| Comments: | Hi. Thanks for your website. I think it's ridiculous that women are told that they're going to rot in hell for sleeping with their own husbands! In addition, Christians aren't supposed to threaten people who wish to leave a certain church. The organization seems to endorse loyalty to the UBF instead of loyalty to the Christian community in general. They don't like you hanging out with other fellowships, either! They give you guilt trips if you experience negative emotions or if you don't attend all their meetings. Often these guilt trips are indirect. I could go on and on, but I'll just talk a little bit about my own experience. People seemed to look and act like clones. Sometimes the testimonies seemed like the same testimony over and over. People would take big chunks of the message from Sunday and stick those in their testimonies. This could get a little tiresome when we had 8 or 12 people sharing! People seemed to lack their own thinking. People blindly took the pastor's interpretation of passages instead of asking about the other interpretations they had heard. Hardly anyone questioned. Anyway, pray for the people who are still stuck in the UBF. A lot of under-30s have been totally taken in by the whole system. I could tell you a sad story about an innocent 20-year-old, but I'm afraid I've already taken up a lot of your time. God bless the movement and I'll see how I can get involved. |
| Name: | Amy Young |
| Comments: | Hi J. I'm glad you found this website. There are literally hundreds and even thousands who can verify things posted on these websites. There are so many people who you can ask about their experiences in UBF. If you need any support or further information you can call me at 630-922-6011. May God continue to reveal the truth to you. |
| Name: | J |
| E-mail address: | - |
| Homepage URL: | http://- |
| Comments: | Hi. This site is of interest to me as right now I'm having certain struggles with the UBF. They do seem a little controlling. It bothers me that Dr. Lee made people get abortions. If that's true. I don't know. Anyway, thanks, and I'll continue to check out the rest of the site. |
| Name: | Tom Fosler |
| E-mail address: | rsqubf@netzero.net |
| Homepage URL: | http://come.to/rsqubf |
| Comments: | It's good to see that RSQUBF has inspired so many other people to take a stand for the truth and to put a stop on all of the corruption and bad teaching going on in UBF. I hope and pray that as people visit the site, they will come away and be challenged about their own faith and their own convictions, especially if they are in UBF. If somebody leaves and grows and is blessed by God by their step of faith, then we're doing something right. Keep fighting the good fight of the faith! In Christ, Tom Fosler |
| Name: | Anonymous |
| Comments: | I would like to make a statement to anyone who is willing to read this. As Christians we are all a part of the body of Christ, Are we not? And thus, we need to live as though we are. It was in ubf that I was told that there aren't many sincere christians outside of the members there. So in Essence, ubf is blind to the fact that there are millions of sincere christians out there that are sincere. I doubt that any of them help those who are in the underground church. They are the ones that are really persecuted by being beaten, brainwahsed, and only GOD knows what else. So I say to you who reads this that Christ is our foundation and THE LORD IS OUR SHEPHERD! We are under no man on this earth But only GOD! |
| Name: | Your spiritual friend |
| Comments: | I think you all know about M. Samuel's inccident two day ago. I know you guys 'don't' like M. Samuel Lee. even though you do, do you think you should show him some kind of respect? I believe he went to heaven. I don't care what you think, or what you do. I just want you to know that Homecoming ceremony is this coming Saturday at 11:00 p.m. at Chicago UBF center. Let's stop gossiping and avoiding each other!!! I do pray for you guys. |
| Name: | chicagoXile |
| E-mail address: | chicagoXile@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Hi, everyone. The regular RSQUBF discussion boards are down, giving a 403 error. The new December discussion board at ezboard is nice, but missing in some features that people may have grown accustomed to, plus it has other drawbacks such as non-targeted ads and seemingly no "collapsed" viewing of messages. It's a little embarrassing because I was the one who had suggested using ezboard to Tom Fosler in the first place. Since the December board at ezboard isn't exactly buzzing with activity, I decided to give www.voy.com a chance based on Chris' suggestion. The interim discussion forum can be found at http://www.voy.com/60734/ I can't seem to get in touch with Tom Fosler, but when I do eventually get in touch with him, I'll suggest that http://www.voy.com/60734/ replace the December discussion board at ezboard, *IF* there's enough activity at http://www.voy.com/60734/. I hope I haven't overstepped my bounds by doing this. |
| Name: | Blue |
| Comments: | Does anyone know where the webmaster is? Is he on vacation? The discussion board's been down for 3 days now. |
| Name: | Not a right time to disclose in public |
| E-mail address: | rsqubf@siteadm.net |
| Comments: | I just went to fill the visitor survey but it didn't work. It said the component requires Frontpage server(something like that). Anyway, I'm from UBF Hong Kong Chapter and has been with them for 2 years already. I DO feel the UBF here got some problems (and sometimes, wrong teachings) and it has been a burden for live for over 6 months alreadym, so I tried Yahoo! to see if my point of view is right or not. Thanks God that I found RSQUBF (also other Chinese webpages pointing out the possible problem of UBF), I am looking for another church but it isn't an easy thing to do. Let's keep in touch, my email supplied really works. |
| Name: | wish |
| E-mail address: | wishpray@yahoo.co.kr |
| Name: | Dear old Dad |
| Name: | webmaster |
| Comments: | Um...nevermind, I fixed it. We're all good now! |
| Name: | webmaster |
| E-mail address: | rsqubf@netzero.net |
| Homepage URL: | http://rsqubf.50megs.com |
| Comments: | Hi, it looks like we lost all of our postings on the dreambook. I hope that hasn't set anyone back, but it looks like it is working now. Sorry for the inconvenience. Keep checking back for further information! --Webmaster |
| Name: | Amy Young |
| E-mail address: | jamieamy@mac.com |
| Comments: | Hi Todd. Jamie says "Hello" too. Good to hear from you. If I remember correctly you are the tall blond guy from Washington who shared a testimony about God delivering you from a partying lifestyle, right? How are you & your family doing? Regarding all the corruption amongst some leaders in Chicago UBF, sometimes my heart becomes anxious & inpatient hoping everyone will finally know the truth. But I find comfort in prayer remembering God is Sovereign & in control over this situation. I know God's will will be done. What do you think of everything that has been revealed about SL/UBF? Are you still in Washington UBF? |
| Name: | Todd Funk |
| Comments: | I'm sorry to hear of Amy Young's troubles with UBF. I went with Jamie on the 1993 World Mission trip to Korea, when he was still single and you were Amy Orlando. Please keep your faith, both, all of you; God is almighty and no one stands in his way for more than a moment. |
| Name: | -pc |
| E-mail address: | wupeide2000@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | This site is great! May our loving saviour use it to his glory defending the cause of christ, and his true children through out the whole earth. If anyone is to offend one of these my little ones it would be better for him if a milstone where hung around his nech and he were cast into the depths of the see! The spirit will lead us into all truth! Seek christ only! He is all that matters. |
| Name: | Marj Curtis |
| E-mail address: | marjc10019@aol.com |
| Comments: | Tom: I'm impressed. After visiting the "links" section, I was amazed at how many cults there are and I'm sure these are only a few. Just like anything else, the only cults you hear about on the news are the ones that bring in the National Guard. See you Wednesday. Marj |
| Name: | Webmaster |
| E-mail address: | rsqubf@netzero.net |
| Comments: | Thanks for all your comments, prayers, and insights. This website is working to help people be informed and come to know the truth and stand by it. I know that people become very passionate here and say things that may be too spiteful, but my hope is that people will read between the lines and see just how important it is to live for God alone and not be ensnared by deceptive and hollow philosophies. I am glad that this site has been so instrumental in the reformation of UBF, and I pray that the reform continues to move in the right direction. Thanks, everyone! |
| Name: | Ex-UBFer |
| Comments: | Duke, Hey thats great! I just hope you can find a good church that is truly Christian. There are some good ones out there! |
| Name: | I won't say |
| E-mail address: | duke4lifeus@yahoo.com |
| Comments: | Yes!! I just left UBF--I was put down and then asked to write testimonies on how GOD (They) could help me--I was even asked to give up my life to them or god would punish me. I was there for a year and as a 15 year old I didn't know much--I had no religion that I followed so I wanted to be wanted--but not like this--My life with them was bad and now my left is great and i'm happy..... |