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Uzair |
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Tuesday, April 6th 2004 - 07:26:53 PM |
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Any posts recieved after this post will recieve zero. We have marked most of them, and are quite impressed with your efforts. It was fun for us throughout the whole simulation to hear your opinions, and mark your posts. A Thank you goes out to all of those who participated.
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 03:55:50 PM |
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In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India? Why has this been so?
I believe that our class definitely put more importance on the Israel/Palestine conflict. I don’t believe that this was an intentional choice by our class however. There are a few pending factors that directed the focus to this conflict.
- Vast amount of portrayal in the media. The recent death of the leader of Hamas brought even more attention to the conflict.
- For those who are not personally affected by the Kashmir dispute may not have a lot of knowledge on the subject.
- The US holds a much stronger role in the Palestinian/Israel conflict making it more known worldwide.
- Terrorism has been an important issue all over the world and especially in North American after 9/11
- In our class the leaders of countries such as Israel, USA and Palestine were very vocal on the subjects at hand and made sure everyone heard them.
I myself had little knowledge on the Pakistan/India conflict. I feel though that after the presentation that the two countries put on our class should have focused on each of the topics equally.
How do you feel about the current peace offers? Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to establishing peace.
Regarding the Palestinian/Israel conflict:
- The “Iraqi Deportation Plan” as it has now been coined was a plan on much to grand of a scale. Moving millions of Palestinians to Iraq is just displacing these already displaced people. They would have to start from scratch, and would need tons of financial aid. Also it would most likely cause conflict internally in Iraq. Also Palestinians need their own identity. Placing them in Iraq would not be accomplishing this.
- With the peace plan that was derived in the France Conference the West Bank as well as the Gaza Strip need to initially be granted to Palestinians.
- Although giving them the Gaza Strip is a step in the right direction, to deny the West Bank to the Palestinians just displays Israel’s distrust that they will not be able to accomplish what has been asked from them.
- Only giving the Gaza Strip will create more animosity of the Palestinians living in West Bank and will not help the fight against terrorism. We cannot put so much faith in humanity to say that since we are getting to some sort of resolution radicals will control their mannerisms for future peace.
- Also claiming that they will retains hold over the West Bank when they gain control over their people and create a proper government sounds like another promise or claim that will not be kept.
- The “Security Fence” must be immediately taken down. Israeli’s say that it is for the benefit of their people but in the long run it is just separating the two further. It seems degrading to the Palestinian people, it shows that the Israeli’s think the must be contained.
- The issue of any of the Holy Lands was never brought up in either of our conferences. Places such as Jerusalem need to be separate from both Israel and Palestine for their will always be conflict over the area.
Regarding the Pakistan/India conflict:
- I believe that the referendum proposal is the best suited plan for this situation.
- There needs to be three options in the referendum rather than what India proposed. They need to have the option of being part of Pakistan.
- Before the referendum can occur there needs to be three plans derived to maintain an economy in Kashmir no matter where it ends up.
- There are still a few problems with the plan. If Kashmir becomes part of Pakistan, India may be upset furthering the conflict.
- Pakistan does not have the financial means to support Kashmir since the majority of their support comes from India.
- If Kashmir becomes a sovereign state they are going to need a lot of financial aid.
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain.
I believe that the most influential person in our simulation was Saheb. I feel that Saheb was very knowledgeable on the entire situations and played his character very well. With Israel, Saheb (and Kyle) came with two peace plans to the floor. Although one was a little ridiculous it got people talking. Everyone seems to be bashing Saheb’s behaviour throughout but he was just playing a part and it made the entire simulation much more entertaining!
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
I believe that Natalie was not a lot of trouble but at her conference preventing the USA from talking was not helping the situation. The US was a major factor in both of the conflicts and their opinion was necessary and valid for establishing anything.
As for a household appliance I believe I would be a washing machine. I get all the clothes together to clean them and make them better for the world to see! I am not prejudice and will allow and colour or type in!
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 01:33:50 PM |
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"The majority of time in Canada’s peace conference was spent arguing over this outrageous idea, meaning that time that could have been used to discuss a realistic plan was wasted." - Natalie
I would just like to respond to Natalies ignorant comment on wasting time in the Canadian peace conference. Considering that France in fact was not invited to the peace conference that CANADA held, I find it rather amusing that they have statements on how we spent our time. At least in our conference everyone had time to get their full points across to the important international community and we were not forced to kick out the most influential members.
Also because of the stature that the United States holds any plan that they come up with that they take seriously enough to introduce to other leaders of countries I believe should and does hold great weight. Even though the plan was ridiculous the U.S. has the power to implement any plan they wish to a great extent and so if France wont take there ideas seriously somebody has to, and Canada decided to take that job.
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 01:32:31 PM |
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"The majority of time in Canada’s peace conference was spent arguing over this outrageous idea, meaning that time that could have been used to discuss a realistic plan was wasted." - Natalie
I would just like to respond to Natalies ignorant comment on wasting time in the Canadian peace conference. Considering that France in fact was not invited to the peace conference that CANADA held, I find it rather amusing that they have statements on how we spent our time. At least in our conference everyone had time to get their full points across to the important international community and we were not forced to kick out the most influential members.
Also because of the stature that the United States holds any plan that they come up with that they take seriously enough to introduce to other leaders of countries I believe should and does hold great weight. Even though the plan was ridiculous the U.S. has the power to implement any plan they wish to a great extent and so if France wont take there ideas seriously somebody has to, and Canada decided to take that job.
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 01:32:31 PM |
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Adam Phillips a.k.a. Yasser Arafat [e] |
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The Israel/Palestine issue received, most indefinitely, the most attention throughout the simulation. What differentiates the issue from that of Kashmir is the fact that the Palestinian peoples don't have a country to call their own. They are blowing themselves up because they feel as though they have nothing left to live for and they are deprived of many things that humans have the right to have. The dispute over Kashmir is between two COUNTRIES over a piece of land. Peace can be achieved without the help of the global community whereas the Palestine/Israel conflict cannot.
The peace offer was fair. It insured that Palestinian people their own country, government and freedom if they cooperated and stopped terrorism. Realistically, this mock proposal could not be agreed upon between the two. Pride and hatred get in the way.
What I wanted to bring forth to the attention of the global community was holy lands such as Jerusalem. Idealistically it would be good if they could share the holy site, or simply give it to one side and compensate the other in some way or another however this is the real world with real situation. Taking Jerusalem away from both the Palestinians and the Israeli's and putting a neutral force in Jerusalem would be the best solution.
I discuss this during the peace talks, and I wished to take it further. The human rights of the Palestinians needs to be taken care of. The American along with the international community said that they would give us natural resources, however I was curious as to how they would go about it and how long it would take. Sadly, the time for the peace talks fell short.
To say that one person is more influential than another is ridiculous. If it takes two to create war, its obviously takes two or more to create peace. Evidently, the United States and Israel made the proposal because they are the ones in power and strongly believe that they would not agree upon anything that Palestine proposed because it seems as if they were giving into Palestine.
Many argue that the United States caused the most trouble throughout the peace proposals however I strongly disagree. The United States was attacked several times and I feel that they defended themselves brilliantly. Secondly, peace talks cannot take place without the United States, so they can do whatever they choose, because in the end, ALL countries come to rely on their aid.
I feel that my roleplay as Yasser Arafat can be compared to a coffee maker. Because with aid of cocoa beans and water (Israel and the United States) I brewed justice |
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 01:05:15 PM |
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JoJo ---> The Republic of China |
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The Israel/Palestine is more important because a cease-fire is not yet taken into effect. Suicide bombers are a very controversial topic in North America, and media coverage is dominating in today’s world. Terrorism becomes an important issue since the 9/11 incident. The insurgency in that region is more vicious; peace is uncompromising. The current negotiations are satisfactory and Palestine should be recognized as a state in order to create legitimacy in their voice. India and Pakistan should continue their cease-fire agreement. On a personal view, I would’ve taken the same action plans as the ones established in class, perhaps with the only difference in urging more financial help from non-profit organizations such as Red Cross. Military aid is needed from other countries as well in order to secure order in Palestine, so I would address this issue repeatedly. US did an excellent job in presenting the peace plan, and Saheb, being the representative of US, was greatly influential in this idea. He was also an excellent public speaker; any deliberate criticism is due to jealousy. As to the single person causing the barrier to peace, there would be none. The whole international community cooperated in contributing to the “road to peace” blueprint, with monetary aid from several countries (i.e. Great Britain, China, France, etc) finally, to compare my role-play to a household appliance, I would be a stove. China would like to burn the US, as I believe that in a few decades, they would accelerate in their economic and military status. They would further increase their political voice in the global community and therefore extinguish the US position. |
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 10:41:01 AM |
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I really hope nobody took this thing seriously enough to take personal insult to anything said. I don't feel any need to apologize, since I didn't personally insult anybody, but if you felt I was doing so, I'll let you know I wasn't. However, I do find it incredibly humorous that the same people who applaud us on our work also call us immature and ignorant. If we were ignorant, we would have acted out of character, correct? Luckily, we are very knowledgeble, and hence, played our characters out perfectly, upsetting the international community just about as much as the United States does. I'm glad you're all pissed off. I wouldn't have it any other way. All this shows is both me and Saheb were indeed the true powers of this simulation (confirming what I already knew). Thanks everyone. |
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 10:22:28 AM |
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one quick fact:
Please outline where Saheb made fun of you in his post. Saheb reffered to Tina and Shari as the roles they were playing and addressed both as Great Britain. Never did Saheb make fun of Shari and Tina. Not once. However, Saheb believes that Tina called Saheb a "Ignorant Fool", something along those lines. Saheb also sees some type of contradiction between both of your posts. Shari applauds Saheb of a chilling delivery of Donald Rumsfeld. However, Tina in her post earlier commented Saheb as not being realistic at all and then insulted Saheb's integity. Again, Saheb would like for you to show evidence of Saheb insulting you two personally, as you did Saheb.
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 09:10:48 AM |
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"Not only that but I perceived you and Kyle's joint efforts to have attacked Natalie as an individual, and not France, too".
Well your perceptions of Kyle and Saheb's joint effors were never intended to hurt Natalie as a person. After the France conferance, Saheb went to Natalie and apologized if she had thought it was personal attacks, because they were not. Saheb's not sure if you paid attention to the Iraq fiasco when France and America boycotted each other. As you know, there is an underlying hostility amongst both nations. Saheb kindly asks Tina, not to make perceptions on unless she knows how Saheb truly acted after the fact.
Thank You.
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 09:03:02 AM |
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Saheb:
I'm sorry you feel hurt, but I would like to reiterate what Shari posted: you and Kyle did personally attack both Shari and I in the simulation. Not only that but I perceived you and Kyle's joint efforts to have attacked Natalie as an individual, and not France, too.
Keep in mind that the statements made in these final posts are supposed to be pertaining to the simulation. Although I may have addressed you by name, it is because pertains to your actions which you had complete control over even though you were simulating the US (which you did a marvellous job of, with the exception of the personal attacks. In my opinion, imitate what is good, not what is bad.).
Your “friend” posed the question “Would Saheb have done that if he was representing Saheb[?]” I cannot say, since I do not know you personally, but from the fact that you consciously chose to portray Rumsfeld, I would infer that to some degree, you concur with the views and condone the actions of him, and so you chose to reflect him.
Your own Mandatory Post #3 was quite scathing as well, and I used what I perceive an appropriate degree of assertiveness in mine. |
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 04:33:18 AM |
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Saheb, I'm just stating th facts. i know you are not really as pompous as you pretended to be the simulation. So don't take it to heart. And you actuallly DID attack Tina and I in your post and that may be why there's a little backlash. Simulation well played. Good Work!
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 03:26:08 AM |
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Saheb is am saddened today. For everything Saheb did for you people, playing the role of the United States of America to a tee. Saheb provided a realistic setting to our simulation. This is the thanks Saheb gets!? Insulting Saheb personally, Saheb expected better from Shari and Tina. Saheb never once insulted you personally, and you accuse Saheb of being ignorant, when Saheb was merely portraying a character. Saheb should have won an Oscar for his portrayal of Donald Rumsfeld, and the majority of the class disrespects Saheb and calls him obnoxious and rude. Saheb is not rude or obnoxious, sure the character Saheb played may have disregarded your opinions and comments. But ask yourself, would Saheb have done that if he was representing Saheb. Saheb thinks not! Saheb is saddened by the words of Tina and Shari. Saheb wanted this class to have someone who could be admired as a true representation of world affairs, and Saheb receives masked hatred in words. Saheb is saddened today. Truly Saddened. :( :( |
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 03:01:43 AM |
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Zena a.k.a Hanan Ashrawi [e] |
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In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so?
it is obviouse that there was more attention in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine because there were current developments in the conflict/ violence occurred everyday on the news between these two states especially when the assassination of the spiritual leader of Hamas occurred which made it very interesting. im not saying that the conflict between India/Pakistan over Kashmir isn't important but i think that Pakistan and India can stand on their own, they both have a sovereign state. Whereas Palestine is in need to be recognized as one. Also I believe that the reason why we didn't focus as much on the Kashmir situation because not many knew what the conflict was about... or had a little knowledge on the situation. also the conflict was not mentioned throughout the whole simulation, it seems as though alot of people had much to say over the Israel/Palestine conflict.
How do you feel about the current peace offers? Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to eastablishing peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class).
The peace plan that was offered was not bad! but its not realistic, by still not recognizing the west bank and still building the wall around it, will still cause conflicts between the Palestinians and Israelis. it will not create peace. Also the Jewish settlers in the occupied Palestinian territories would rebel against this peace offer and will attempt to overthrow the authority of the state.
I would have offered to recognize the West Bank and the Gaza strip, not only the Gaza strip. I would also have removed the Israeli segregation wall that is being built which violates human rights for the Palestinians as well it is jeopardizing the hopes for peace and building tensions between both Israelis and Palesinians.
I would have also recognized the right of return for all 780,000 Palestinian refugees that were displaced during the war.
Remove all Israeli military presence from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and remove the settlements at once.
In the dispute over Kashmir I would have offered for India AND Pakistan to come to a reasonable peace plan in which both can agree upon and include the Kashmiris because they would be making decisions regarding their own future. also make Kashmir its own independent state if thats what the Kashmiris want.
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain.
I would have to give Katie a recognition although her first offer was a very stupid one! (the Iraqi plan.) but the final peace proposal was working for both states with Palestine wanting their own authority and Israel wanting security. although I know realistically it will NOT work, but it was a good and generous offer by recognizing Palestine and giving them their own authority and giving the palestinians a chance to build up a sovereign nation.
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
There isn't a single person that caused the most trouble but I would have to say that the US was, reason being by pushing everybody around and voicing their opinions over others, what they wanted had to be it and if u dont like it then thats too bad for you! also by making fun of everyone especially by treating Iraq as their little puppets.
If you were to compare your roleplay in the IR simulation to a household appliance, what would you descrive it as and why?
I would have to say that I would take a role of a vaccuum, because its big (like Hanan Ashrawi) when im on I like to voice my opinions, and last thing... It takes every little crappy idea that the US and Israel offers (sad but true, but what can u do when ur nation doesnt have their own authority). |
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 02:57:46 AM |
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What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain
Sorry controllers.. i forgot to add this part.. my bad
-In my opinion i would say that Saheb was the biggest trouble maker during the simulation
-it was hard for me to decide who caused the most trouble and honestly Saheb wasn;t that bad, but i had to choose so i choose him
-At some points he did not show respect to other countries and tried to get involved in every argument.
-I think that sometimes Countries might have a better chance of seeking peace if the United States didn't get involved.
-Saheb didn;t want to hear anyone else's opinion and he strived to be the perfect solution
Overall Saheb played an excellent role of the U.S. because this is exactly how they are in the real world, Saheb could have shown a little more courtesy and value to other peoples points, and not only ISRAEL.
Once again controllers.. i apoligize for the mistake as i forgot to add this in my main posting
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 02:37:05 AM |
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TINA WONG (PM TONY BLAIR) [e] |
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CORRECTION TO MANDATORY POST #3
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The first point in question #2 should read:
"... with the exception of MAYBE Katie because although she is a self-claimed idealist..."
I had made the mistake of putting "realist" instead of "idealist." I apologize for any confusion this may have caused. |
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 02:25:46 AM |
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Shabir Reppin INDIA!! |
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In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so?
In my personal opinion I feel that there is a more need of establishing peace in Israel/Palestine because…
-A lot more tension is going on in that region compared to the India/Pakistan region
-The recent killing of Sheikh Yassin directly proves that the issue is totally unstable.
-There is a chance of Palestine revenging the killing, so therefore peace should be attained before the issue gets out of hand
-The situation in Kashmir has been calm for a while and isn’t a main concern currently.
How do you feel about the current peace offers? Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to establishing peace
-Peace offers suggested were great but extremely unrealistic.
-Trying to promote peace in such a jagged situation where mass hatred occurs would be somewhat impossible.
-With the killing Sheikh Yassin, the chance for peace is a lot less and due to this, tension has further developed.
-I definitely do agree that the Gaza strip be given to Palestine.
-The effort made by Kosta and Katie to hand over Gaza strip was brilliant and something I would be keen on seeing happen in the real world.
-The steps I would have taken to establish peace would probably be the same but definitely not at such a fragile stage. I would not try and make peace just after a murder has occurred in one of the conflicting countries.
-In my opinion a peace plan has to be very well thought out and exceedingly methodical, the negative impacts will have to be looked upon and the positive impacts would have to be greatly planned out and implemented in the least harmful way.
-I would also consider placing the U.N in the disputed countries as they can have a positive effect on some situations.
-I would definitely make sure that the wall be torn down as this will just cause more hatred and tension.
-Palestine would be given Gaza Strip and international corporations should be set up in Palestine in order for Palestinians to attain jobs.
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain
-I definitely think that Natalie had a huge influence on establishing peace solutions.
-A lot of people picked Saheb and Kosta and other people who spoke out, but none of these solutions would have come forth if it wasn’t for the peace conference held by France.
-France had the initiative of holding the peace conference and was the only country who involved the international community.
-Natalie kept bringing up a solution to both issues in Palestine/Israel and in Kashmir.
-Whenever discourtesy and noise broke out, France was trying its hardest to manage the situation and get back on topic, the topic of seeking peace in the 2 regions.
If you were to compare your role-play in the IR simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
-During this role play I would consider myself as a Lawnmower
-The reason for this is that I was striving to go in the right direction and achieve my goal, similar to a Lawn Mower aiming at a direction and its Goal to cut all the grass ahead of it.
-Also I would be hazardous to anything that got in my path and offensive if any other country was rude and ignorant.
-Any person or country that came in the way of me achieving my goal, was in a dangerous position
-Similar to a person standing in front of a lawn mower which is trying to achieve its goal.
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 02:23:42 AM |
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Taking up for my boy Saheb, I would like to emphasis the following point:
"Don't Hate The Player, Hate The Game" |
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 02:02:39 AM |
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* There has been more importance placed on the Israel Palestine issue because in class most of the students were aware of the Palestinian situation. It is also because there is need for a Palestinian State for all acts of terrorism to stop, and the terrorism in Palestine is recognized more as opposed to Kashmir issue. Also because India and Pakistan are on ceasefire right now but violence is still active in Palestine and Israel. The United States is paying more attention of Israel because they are VERY close allies.
* I think that Palestine for now should accept the Gaza strip offering for now. When they establish a proper government they can then ask for West Bank also on a fair basis because that’s what Israel has promised if the acts of violence stop. But in order for Peace both sides have to stop their violence because it’s not only the Palestinians fault, there are major flaws in Israeli treatment of the Palestinians as well.
* As For Kashmir, I also think that it is a wise plan. It is best to let the people decide because if the government goes against the wishes of the people it will lead to more violence and civil war.
* It was China (Simon) because he offered many solutions to help not only Palestine, but also Kashmir and Iraq.
* Donald Rumsfeild (Saheb) He would not listen to anyone, rather he made descions on his own and looked down upon other countries. In establishing peace you need to make sacrifices and compromises even with countries or people you don’t like. Unfortunately Saheb was acting how Americans act in real life. GOOD JOB SAHEB !
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 01:31:07 AM |
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In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so?
I believe it is very obvious that more importance was put upon the Israel and Palestine issue as appose to the Kashmir issue for many reasons.
o More people in the class were aware of the Israel and Palestine issue from before, there was a ¡§foreign assignment¡¨ presentation on it, and so could sway themselves with one side or another.
o Whereas, not many people in the class were familiar with the Kashmir issue in South Asia, and so it became difficult to argue about something you know nothing about.
o With the ceasefire in place, there were no shootings or conflict for more than 5 weeks, which settled tensions between India and Pakistan. Also, the cricket match which was taking place during the simulation had made both countries on well-off terms, and neither side wanted to take the initiative to begin conflict again.
o The killing of the Hamas Islamic spiritual leader was like throwing a match on spilled oil. Not that there weren¡¦t enough tensions as it was, once Israel claimed responsibility for murdering a handicapped, religious man, and had no regrets of doing so, people felt great offence and anger towards them are their actions.
o Israel is a ¡§white people¡¨ land, and as we all know, there is always more pressure and importance put on the issue which has white people involved (no offence to anyone).
o Lastly, the Israelis, Palestinians, and Americans voiced their opinions more loudly and perhaps made it seem more exciting than India and Pakistan had done.
How do you feel about the current peace offers?
o I feel that the peace offer made by Israel, no matter how idealistic it may be, is a huge step towards peace.
o I think it is great that Katie and Saheb took the initiative to come up with a workable peace plan, in which they agreed to compromise something of their own (unlike the Iraq deportation plan), which I know would have been a complete failure and would end up causing even more world chaos.
o But I feel that although it was nice of them to compromise, Palestine should have urged more for Israel granting them with the West Bank as well, because it seems almost impossible to control terrorist attacks from a part of land which is not even yours.
o The fence, West Bank, and Jerusalem should have been discussed more thoroughly, as they are key in the Palestine and Israel conflict.
o The plan issued by India, to have Kashmir become part of India (which it already is), or become a sovereign nation is plain stupid. When coming up with a peace plan, both sides should compromise something, but in this supposed plan for peace, India does not compromise anything.
o But I must congratulate Mo and Shabir for finally agreeing to a referendum (even though it was one-sided), and at least giving the Kashmiris the right to decide their own fate.
Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to establishing peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class).
o Regarding the Kashmir issue, this is Pakistan¡¦s proposed plan for peace:
- Pakistan takes both sides of the situation into consideration when introducing this peace plan. Unlike India¡¦s proposal for peace, we realize that both countries have such strong ties with Kashmir, and to simply say that Kashmir is either with us or not with anyone at all is unreasonable, as this plan would mean that one country compromises nothing and wreaks all the benefits, while the other country loses out on everything they have been working towards for more than 50 years. Our plan, which we have been consistent with from the beginning of the simulation, is what is in greatest interest for the Kashmiri people. We believe that it is best is to conduct a referendum, in which Kashmir decides whether it wants to become a sovereign nation, part of India, or part of Pakistan. If however, the votes are 50/50, Kashmir will then be split according to which areas prefer whichever country. Also, the businesses that India has running in Kashmir are most if not all privately-owned companies, and in the case that Pakistan is voted to take-over, Pakistan will not shut these companies down. The profit will still go to the private company owner, but the taxes will go to the Pakistani government. If India gains the majority of votes, Pakistan is more than willing to give up its gained part of Kashmir, as well as the many resources which are part of it. But both countries must respect the decision made by the Kashmiris, regardless of whether Kashmir chooses India, Pakistan, or decide their sovereignty.
o As for the Palestine and Israel road to peace, I would first and foremost tear down the fence which does not secure Israel from the terrorist bombings (since they are still happening), rather segregates them from the rest of the neighboring Arab countries, fueling more anger and hatred.
o If I was Palestine, I would have argued for the right to West Bank, as it is almost impossible to control people that are way beyond your reach, and continue to feel oppressed. But, if I was Israel, I would definitely not propose to give away two major land masses, instead I would wait to see if the situation worsened, then if need be, give away the West Bank (which is what Katie and Kosta did).
o Show why the Oslo Accord did not work, then prove how their plan is different and what enforcements would be put in place to ensure that the new and improved plan would work.
o Lastly, I would place UN forces in the holy land of Jerusalem, so that no conflict would arise there.
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain.
o I cannot say that one person was most influential in establishing peace, since this was an International Relations simulation, and without the satisfaction of everyone in the international community, no peace plan could be put in place. But if I must choose, I would have to say that France and the Controllers did the best in establishing peace, as it was in their peace conference where everyone had equal opportunity to project their voices, and agree to workable peace plans.
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
o Once again, I find it very hard to pinpoint a specific individual who caused most trouble, as it was the way the international community responded to the ideas and comments that created conflict. But again, if I would have to pick one person, it would have to be Saheb. Saheb just had these comments which were rude, obnoxious, and got on almost everyone¡¦s nerves in the international community. Overall though, his behaviour was excellent as it was a complete representation of that of the United States.
If you were to compare your roleplay in the ir simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
o If I had to compare my behaviour to that of a household appliance, I would have to be the light bulb. I did not waste my energy when it was not needed (useless conversations), my opinion was very expensive and crucial to the well-running of the simulation, I shone my happy energy to those that were feeling down in the class, and without me, peace could not have been achieved (because no one would be able to see in the darkƒº „º that¡¦s a happy face, but it doesn¡¦t show up on the chat box).
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 12:31:57 AM |
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Most of the attention in our simulation was placed on the Israel/Palestine conflict, and rightly so. This is not to say that the Kashmir situation is any less significant, however, at the moment, the situation is much less volatile. The most volatile situation must be dealt with first in order to keep casualties and other difficulties to a minimum. It is for this reason that the most attention was given to the Israel and Palestine conflict.
I think the current peace offer is a very viable one, and it could work quite well, given time to develop. Although I believe both Gaza and West Bank must be given to Palestine in order to a final peace, giving them up separately will make the process a lot simpler for all nations involved to deal with, and reduce further conflict while peace talks continue.
If I were to change the way things were done, I would have given more meaning to the peace conferences held by Canada and France. Most of these conferences were spent debating over menial issues. I feel that this is the fault of many countries, however I will not point fingers. If these countries contributed more ideas instead of simply bashing those of the United States, maybe we would have gotten somewhere. It sure is easy to criticize something when you’re not putting anything forth yourself to be criticized. If more ideas had been put forth in these two opening conferences, a lot more finalizing could have been done in the final Conference. Instead, new plans were still being proposed, when they should have already been in final discussion.
I cannot say that any one individual was the most influential in bringing peace. Although Saheb and Katie were very influential in the final peace plan, Kosta and myself were just as influential throughout the entire simulation as they were. Without our leadership, many ideas would have never been brought forth and discussed. Therefore, I believe the representatives of USA and Israel contributed the most towards peace. Most other nations simply jumped on bandwagons or bashed ideas without presenting any viable ones themselves. I would also like to say that the idea of France contributing the most to peace is quite laughable. Nothing against France, but in reality, they contributed essentially nothing towards the peace talks. Their conference accomplished nothing, and no matter how good they claim their ideas were on paper, they were never delivered in any meetings, hence, they were useless.
Biggest problem? Well I find it amusing that people say me and Saheb were immature, because I’d say it was quite the opposite. Instead of commenting maturely on our proposals and ideas, people saw fit to try and press us into a corner. Unfortunately, they failed miserably, as we shot down their accusations, so they decided to just accuse of being immature. Very mature of them. “Okay, we don’t have any reasonable accusations… let’s resort to petty name calling!” A very wise political strategy, I would say. If I have to be specific to one nation, I would say Great Britain. Instead of accepting any responsibility for the crisis at hand, they chose to place all blame on the United States. As well, instead of putting forth any reasonable peace plans, they chose instead to insult the plans of the USA and bring forth mock plans which were obviously not feasible, and in fact, downright ridiculous.
If I had to compare myself to an appliance, I would be a freezer. This would fit my personality, which many may have called ice-cold, and it is also because the freezer is often the most durable appliance. Whereas most others wither and malfunction if constantly barraged with work, the freezer will last. It is rock solid, keeps cool no matter what, and can handle any whatever amount of work is necessary for it. It is also works very well in conjunction with a refrigerator, which, not coincidentally, represents my partner for this simulation. Separate, we are both very useful and durable units, but together, we are exceptionally useful.
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Monday, April 5th 2004 - 12:24:35 AM |
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Shari a.k.a Jack Straw!! [e] |
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1. In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so?
The Israel/Palestine issue definitely took precedent over the Kashmir issue. This is because of the urgency of the issue; there were new developments arising making it a pressing matter at all times. With the killing of the Hamas leader as a primary world event that took place during the simulation it stands to reason that this matter would be a more pressing one. Also, the state of the Kashmir issue is relatively peaceful currently and is not as in need of attention. If this issue had experienced a major conflict like the Israel/Palestine it would have been allotted more time for peace talks. That being said, both issues warrant international concern.
I disagree with others when they say that too much time was devoted to the Kashmir issue because while it remained relatively stable throughout the simulation, it still deserved the opportunity of being addressed by the international community.
2. How do you feel about the current peace offers? Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to establishing peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class).
The current peace plan agreed upon by the class is a wonderful one, but unfortunately idealistic. It would be great if this plan were to work, but considering the history behind past attempts at agreements just like this one it is almost inevitable that it will fail. If left to me, I would have given Israel and Palestine a more apt opportunity to delve into the details of the peace plan. It is all fine and good to say “we’ll release the Gaza Strip”, but in reality what does this mean for the people? And how likely is the government to act on these promises? I would have had Israel and Palestine sit down with a completely impartial mediator and really consider the options available to them both. I would have also called for the deconstruction of the “wall” of “fence” (whatever makes you sleep at night), because it is doing more to promote segregation than it is peace or safety for either side. Lastly, I maintain that Palestine should be recognized as a state and be given land that will help it further its endeavours as an internationally recognized state. It should also hold monitored (possibly by the UN) elections so as to develop a legitimate government to govern its people.
3. What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain
I am not sure that the international peace plan can be attributed to anyone in particular, but I will tell you who it CANNOT solely be attributed to and that would be Katie and Saheb. Let’s be realistic here, throughout the entire process of the peace talks, did anyone once see Saheb doing or saying anything in the way of a peace agreement? No. Realistically speaking, I would say that France was the country most responsible for the final peace agreement because of the well structured Peace Conference they held in which the peace plan took place. The plan that Saheb and Katie so vehemently refer to as their own has been considered by several other people and is NOT the epiphany that they hold it to be. I know personally that I myself considered this very same peace plan and discussed it with various people of other countries and as France mentioned they posted this plan long ago. So kudos to France for maintaining sight of the goal of this simulation, unlike other super or middle powers! Furthermore, Great Britain was completely aware of its world policy throughout the entire simulation. Just because it did not coincide with the agenda of the U.S. does not mean it was nonexistent. And Saheb you have beat that argument to DEATH, Britain as well as the international community is entirely aware of the history behind the current state of Israel without requiring you to play the “blame game” at every opportunity available, especially since the US complained an awful lot about being blamed for the worlds problems (slightly hypocritical of you don’t you think?!).
4. What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
Unfortunately I must give Saheb more credit than he is due but he as well as Kyle were the biggest obstacles preventing peace from being achieved for obvious reasons. One thing that I can give Saheb credit for is his consistency—he consistently and blatantly disregarded the views and voices of everyone else. Whether or not Saheb and Kyle were merely playing a role, their arrogant behaviour proved to be disruptive in every forum possible. No peace talk went undisrupted and no statement made went uninterrupted. Their unsophisticated attitude is precisely the opposite of one necessary to discuss peace. Not only was Saheb impeding the peace process but he distracted and offended others impeding their potential peaceful advances as well.
5. If you were to compare your role-play in the ir simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
I would compare myself to a dryer (clothing). As chaotic and seemingly incurable as the situation around me appears, I take it in and run it through a thoughtful and critical cycle. At the end of this arduous process everything is dry, ironed and ready to be utilised once again.
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 11:13:34 PM |
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TINA WONG (PM TONY BLAIR) [e] |
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In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so?
- definitely more importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine than Kashmir
- When Kyle barks and Saheb echoes, everything becomes counterproductive and hung up on Israel/Palestine because that’s the issue they’re more actively involved in
- The Israel/Palestine issue was always discussed first in conferences; they would run over time and we rarely even got to discussing Kashmir
- This is either a flaw time allocation or a not strict enough observance of time by not only those who took the liberty of hosting conferences but those who had the responsibility of participating in them
- Perhaps the representatives of Pakistan and India could have been more assertive about bringing their issues to the table, since the real-life role of some countries were less-involved in Kashmir than in Israel/Pakistan
- Simply put, the entire international community in the simulation is at fault for not discussing Kashmir more
How do you feel about the current peace offers?
- they are incredibly idealistic for such self-proclaimed realists (individuals who represented the interests of Israel and USA, with the exception of MAYBE Katie because although she is a self-claimed realist, I cannot help but think that her deciding to take the 2% in the first country simulation by joining the “leaders country”—I’m sure it was called something far more eloquent but, unfortunately, I do not recall what—to be a realistic move. Katie, I’m not about to ask you to not take this personally because that would be ridiculous and I don’t expect you to do that. Instead, I’m going to say to you that there is nothing wrong with being a realist; I am one too.)
- the current peace offers only (seem to) work in this simulation because the one condition that this plan was based on could never be followed up upon (cease of Palestinian terrorist activities)
- this inability to follow up is noone’s fault; it is simply an inherent restriction of a simulation
- it was completely out of character of the real life position of Israel and USA (which is not unacceptable for a simulation where students’ ideas are to be incorporated even if it differs from the real agenda of the state they represent), of the simulated position of Israel and USA (this action is not in accordance with previous statements in the simulation’s conferences), and of temperament of the individuals who represented those countries
- it sounded rehearsed because there were no objections to the EXACT same plan that was previously proposed and objected to (to no avail, might I add) by Israel and the USA
- Kashmir: I agree with the plan for the referendum, because it is ultimately the people of Kashmir who should decide their own fate.
Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to [establishing] peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class).
- although I comprehend the consequences of bringing UN peacekeepers into a volatile situation (no country would be willing to contribute troops), I see it to be more viable than an idealistic plan such as “we’ll give you the land if you don’t attack us” (reasons outlined in previous question)
- UN peacekeepers would help in ensuring that the ceasefire is observed, so that Israel and Palestine could then begin negotiations regarding the West Bank and Gaza
- Jerusalem would become its own separate statehood (like Vatican City in Italy, very small and within a larger state but sovereign) because deciding who gets Jerusalem would be like deciding who gets Kashmir
- No single state should POSSESS Jerusalem or say that Jerusalem is their territory because it is sacred to three very large world religions (Judaism, Islam, and Christianity) and followers of those religions should not be restricted access to this place
- Likewise, I feel this way about Kashmir. It was initially independent but then it was acceded to India for military and economic support, making it Indian territory. However, if the people of Kashmir no longer feel this way about things, then they should be allowed to have their say by voting on what they want.
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain.
It is important to note that France played a large role in facilitating the conference during which this plan, the same plan that was previously discussed in the Canada conference (before that abominable “move them into Iraq” plan), was finally accepted by Israel and the USA.
However, France is a nation, and the question asks for a single individual.
In terms of an individual, I would have to say Katie because:
- she is (seemingly, and self-proclaimed) the most idealistic of the four people who represented Israel and USA (whether or not she is completely or completely not or an amalgam of both is debatable and not pertaining to this explanation)
- although this (in my opinion, idealistic) plan is not her brainchild (both in real life and in the simulation), I would hypothesize that she would have pushed for this plan the most within the Israel/USA camp (due to her seeming to be the most idealistic among those who represented Israel and USA)
- Saheb has confirmed my inferences by stating (in his post) that Katie played a fundamental role in pushing for this plan (not alone, mind you, but still a fundamental role)
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
Kyle because
- Saheb was fuelled off of him. The day when Kyle wasn’t there, Saheb was strangely silent until Kyle arrived.
- Both he and Saheb continuously aggravated tensions in the Israel/Palestine situation by being rude to the international community, hiding behind the excuse of roleplaying
- Their rudeness is perceived by me as a way to derail and ensure that no solution was met
In regards to roleplaying:
- Saheb, if you are going to be such a purist about following real policies of the states represented, you (and Kyle, but I’m addressing this to you because of what you said in your post) did a really poor job of it yourself by instigating the conflicts (in the simulation) between USA and UK
- that should not be a problem since this is a classroom simulation and as students, we are supposed to incorporate our own thoughts and have control over our own agendas
- however, you are quite the stickler when it comes to following one’s respective state’s policies, and so
- you are a hypocrite for saying that “Britain… did not follow their own current world policies” because Shari and I did
- since you are saying that we didn’t, it could mean one of two things
a) you’re lying and you know it, or
b) you’re an ignorant fool who doesn’t know any better
If you were to compare your roleplay in the ir simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
AN IRON SKILLET, no pun intended. (In case you fail to see a pun, the word “skillet” is a chiefly British term.)
- Solid construction
- heats up quickly when aggravated
- hurts a lot when it hits you on the head, which is quite the unexpected event that is almost only seen in the movies. ;)
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 11:04:49 PM |
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*Mo reppin' for INDIA* [e] |
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In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so?
Blatently more emphasis was placed upon the Israel/Palestine issue for the following reasons:
- Tension remains and continues to grow within the West Bank and Gaza Strip and a ceasefire remains a distant hope especially after the unforgiving assissination of the 'Spiritual' leader of the Islamic freedom promoting organization Hamas.
- The Kashmir conflict has calmed itself down dramatically recently (ceasefire has lasted over a month) and thus has left itself open to negotiaton. Our class thrived on conflict and seeing as though none remained between India and Pakistan, the issue became second rate. However, I do believe that adequate time was allocated to the Kashmir issue by the representatives of France and the Controllers.
- Lastly, the hegemonic power of the IR simulation (The USA) had greater interest and influence in the Israel/Palestine issue and obviously steered all debates in that conflicts direction. Maybe because that conflict was deemed more important and relevant or maybe because they just loved the spotlight, we shall never know, but one thing is for sure, India was the best dressed Country.
How do you feel about the current peace offers?
Israel/Palestine:
- Proposed peace plan has about as much chance of success as I do in joining the KKK
- Palestine's primary aid giver in creating a state was said to be China, however statistically China cannot viably provide the amount and types of aid it had pledged.
- Majority of the conflict occurs in the West Bank, so giving back the Gaza strip to its rightful owners can indeed reduce the tension, but will in no way show the Palestinian's that Israel is not an oppressor.
- In order for Palestine to become its own independant self governed state, all of its land must be returned. They cannot start on the gaza strip and then when Israel feel they have done a satisfactory job, give them the West Bank, as if its some sort of test.
- Will Jewish settlers in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank simply pack up and leave when the land is handed over? I do not think so. Also, will all the Israeli buildings just be destroyed? What would be the point of that?
- The propsed peace plan failed to take into account the pride of the Palestinian people, the sheer hatred they have towards the nation of Israel and the effect on the Jewish settlers. It will simply not work. However, I commend the representatives of Israel and Palestine for the effort they put in to come up with a plan to end the conflict in the region.
India/Pakistan
- Proposed referendum is a workable idea. Although India are unwilling to hand over Kashmir to Pakistan, they are willing to grant its independence. Pakistan, unhappy with India's stance, wants Kashmir to be able to become part of Pakistan, however they have no rightful claim over the land so they need to shut up, or as we say in Hindi, CHUUUUP !!!
- Current ceasefire and negotiation shows that both India and Pakistan want a diplomatic solution to conflict and a referendum would satisfy both sides.
- Biggest obstactle would be the reactions of rebels and terrorists in the area if vote went against them and the possibility of an unfair vote...police and military must secure area before referendum takes place.
Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to eastablishing peace?
With the Kashmir issue I do not think there was anything we could of done differently in order to establish peace, although I do believe peace could of been reacher earlier if Pakistan had been more realistic and if India hadn't constantly threatned to destroy thier Country with Nuclear weapons...
However, when it comes to the Israel Palestine issue I would of done the following things in order to obtain peace:
- Instantly tear down the 'fence' that does nothing but segregate and isolate the oppressed Palestinian's.
- Remove all Israeli military presence from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip
- Vacate Jewish settlements until diplomatic solution is reached and agreed upon by both parties
- Bring in UN peacekeeping forces to enforce solution and maintain order
Palestine has claim to land occu[ied by Israel. They should be granted thier right and aided in creating thier own state without the interference of Israel who only have thier own interests in mind. By following the course of action I just laid out I believe that conflict in the area would decrease greatly along with terrorism, but only a foolish person would predict a total end to all fighting.
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain.
I believe that Katie was key in establishing peace between Israel and Palestine. Although the peace plan that was formulated, in my opinion, has no chance of working realistically, it still showed an effort on the part of Israel to bring peace to a war ravaged area. I would also like to commend France, Canada and Great Britain in thier efforts at promoting peace.
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
Everyone seems to be labeling my poor misunderstood Indian brother Saheb as the biggest trouble maker. I would have to agree. He was egotistical, unfair and overzealous, and those were his good days. However, his knowledge was unmatched but unfortunately could not be appreciated because of his attitude towards everyone else.
If you were to compare your roleplay in the ir simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
The controllers have made me compare myself to a fruit, an animal and now a household appliance. If i were to be a household appliance I would be an air conditioner, when things got heated and unbearable, I was there to cool everything down and allow everyone to just chill.... |
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 11:04:33 PM |
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Katie B. - Silvan Shalom [e] |
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In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India? Why has this been so?
In our class, there has been a greater focus on the Israel-Palestine issue. This is because of the developments that have taken place over the course of our simulation in the real-life international community. India and Pakistan have a ceasefire, one that the Israelis and Palestinians should use an example. Israel and Palestine (specifically Israel recently) continued to use violence as a means to prevent terrorism, and the international community should be looking for ways to stop this. Drastic steps need to be taken to create peace between Israel and Palestine, and I think that our simulation reflected this.
I was really happy that both sides of the Kashmir dispute came together for the presentation to the class! It was a great presentation that really helped to draw more attention to their issue. I learned a lot, and wish we could have spent more time talking about it during the simulation.
How do you feel about the current peace offers? Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to establishing peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class).
After the International Community’s lack of enthusiasm for the proposed “Iraqi Deportation Plan” (as Steph so aptly named it) it was necessary for a new peace plan to be developed. The plan that Saheb and I proposed seemed to be the best immediate solution. Most of the countries in the international community were saying that Palestine needed legitimacy. So that is what we gave them. I think that for Israel to truly insure its security, it has to give Palestine the Gaza Strip as well as the West Bank. However, because Israel and the US received little opposition from the International Community, it was decided that only the Gaza Strip would be awarded to Palestine. (If the other countries – besides Palestine – had offered more opposition, Israel and the US would have HAD to rethink their position.)
If I were to change something about the road we took to establishing peace in this simulation, I would change the way in which we established it. The debate, peace conferences, and press conference, while all highly entertaining, did little to help the situation. They were filled with redundancy and a whole lot of yelling! (I’m not saying yelling is bad, but it rarely accomplishes peace.) I think a more successful method would have been to hold smaller conferences with unbiased mediators, like Canada’s peace conference with more Palestinian support. (The Palestinians had no allies present, giving Israel an unfair advantage.)
Personally, I would also NOT have proposed the Iraq plan. As Katie, I believe it is ridiculous. There is nothing realistic about it. It is a good theory – the theory being to give Palestine there own state, and it is true that the Arab states need to step up and help out, but this was completely the wrong idea. It was a one-sided compromise, Palestine being the only ones to give anything. I think that the plan only succeeded in stalling the peace process. I would also give the West Bank to Palestine as well as the Gaza Strip! (Israel would be giving up land, but insuring their security.)
The Kashmir dispute was not officially resolved in our simulation. Although I think a referendum would be the best way to achieve peace. Though it will not immediately solve the conflict, it is a step! Leave it up to the people; let the Kashmiri people decide what they want. I think it is commendable that both sides have called for a ceasefire, and hopefully they can agree on a road to peace.
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain.
As far as establishing peace, I think Saheb and I were the most influential. We were the ones who decided that Israel and the US needed to change their approach, and do away with the Iraq Plan. We came up with the new plan, which was the final peace proposal. YES, FRANCE MAY HAVE PROPOSED AN IDEA FOR PEACE ONLINE – TIMPP – BUT WE WERE THE ONES TO BRING A VIABLE IDEA TO THE PEACE CONFERENCE.
It was surprising to me that the countries to propose a viable peace plan were the ones taking a lot of criticism! Many of the other countries did little to actually encourage peaceful talks, and it was left up to Israel and US to bring forth a peace proposal. Is this realistic? I think if any other country had proposed this plan, Israel and the US would have been quick to shut it down, but because they were the ones to come up with the plan, it was accepted.
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
Pointing fingers gets us nowhere! Everyone (I mean EVERYONE) had their moments when they hindered the peace process.
It’s too easy to say the US did the most damage when they really helped to do the most good! They were the co-creators of the final peace plan proposed to the International Community. I think too much time was spent dwelling on the US and how intolerable they were.
If you were to compare your role-play in the IR simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
I took the role of a dishwasher, one of those high-tech modern ones that are quiet. It may not always be obvious that I’m working and cleaning but the proof is in the end result. When you open me up and look at the wonderfully clean dishes (a.k.a. the plan that Saheb and I came up with), you’re blown away.
“How could these beautifully clean dishes come from such a quiet machine? I didn’t even know it was on! Amazing!”
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 09:16:46 PM |
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This one is in POINT FORM)
In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so?
I feel that as of right now, The Israel/Palestine issue needs and has been given more international attention. I feel that this is so because:
-Pakistan and India have declared a cease fire. For about 5 weeks now, there hasn’t been a serious act of violence committed.
-Violence within Israel and Palestine is growing at an alarming rate. If nothing is done soon, the region could witness a real explosion in violence. The death of Yassin didn’t help, and if targeted assassinations and suicide bombings continue, both sides can look forward to a massive escalation in intense hatred and violence.
-The representatives of Israel and Palestine were very active, as well as those who supported them throughout the Simulation. It was as if the whole class had very strong feelings when it came to this conflict.
-People were not as educated about Kashmir as they were about Israel and Palestine, thus they could easily lend weight to one side.
How do you feel about the current peace offers?
The current peace plan for Israel and Palestine seems very reasonable. I’m all for it. But, I fear that it might not work as well as suggested. Reasons include:
-On both sides, the radicals will feel cheated.
-The Jewish settlers might revolt and go on a rampage as they did after Oslo.
-The people in the West bank might feel neglected and grow violent.
-Even though we should start small, issues like Jerusalem and the Palestinian refugees need to be addressed or both sides will grow suspicious.
Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to establishing peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class).
My Peace plan would include the following:
-I would probably have first allowed a UN force into the Holy Land.
-After, I would stop, dismantle all settlements and Israeli outposts while giving the Palestinians more power of their people with the support of UN peacekeepers and locally trained policemen.
-The wall must come down and more jobs should be created for the Palestinians
-Clean water, electricity should be provided, as well as aid and support from countries willing to help
-When all these are implemented, the state of Palestine --would be created and all refugees would be allowed to return with proper residences and jobs in place for them.
-Jerusalem would be declared an international city with a UN presence.
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain.
I guess I’ll give Saheb the credit he needs. Oh yeah, Katie did a lot too. Those two came up with the plan (and after the whole Iraq exodus) they made up for what they had previously suggested. Their plan was fair and clear, with room for flexibility. But as they say, it takes two sides to make a coin, I have to give Zena and Adam my respect for maintaining their dignity and not bowing to clauses in the peace plan they felt was unfair.
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
Kyle and Saheb were arrogant and annoying. Reasons include:
-Acting like idiots
-Making fun of everyone under the sun (very unprofessional)
-Kyle, though, did live up to his role of the ‘moron’, Bush.
-Hampering the process with irrelevant details and ideas (“Ship them to Iraq”!)
-Not letting people put forth ideas and treating people like dirt.
If you were to compare your role-play in the IR simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
Microwave. It seemed hot from the outside, yet everything inside was dead and cold. We hardly scratched the surface and neglected the other reason for the Simulation: Kashmir. Kinda like what a microwave does. Doesn’t heat the inside, warms parts of the plate and causes indigestion.
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 06:56:40 PM |
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NATALIE [e] |
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1. I definitely feel that more time was put into establishing peace in the Israel/Palestine issue, mainly because there have been current developments in the crisis, making it more attractive and exciting. The recent killing of the Hamas leader added a lot of new tension to the conflict, which helped to shift the focus the Israel/Palestine issue. Also, the apparent inactivity in the Kashmir dispute as a result of the ceasefire makes this issue a less appealing one to deal with because of the lack of excitement.
I also feel that attention was diverted to the Israel/Palestine issue because of the countries involved. The leaders of the countries more significant in this issue, mainly Israel and the United States, were very outspoken and had a lot of initiative; thus, they brought a lot of attention to the topic.
I would also like to add that France felt that both issues were of equal importance, and they will be until ultimate peace is reached between the opposition in both issues. France attempted to shift the focus of the debate to the Kashmir issue, through a request to the controllers, and we also allotted equal time to both issues during our peace conference.
2. I feel that the current peace offers are wonderful – that is if we live in a land ruled by people as idealistic as the Care Bears. During the introduction of the Road to Peace Conference, I explicitly explained what the Oslo Accord and the Road Map for Peace were, and I spoke of how they FAILED. Our current peace proposal is a, though simplified, mirror-image of both of these plans. If they failed in the past, how can we expect for them to succeed if no new realistic reforms were made? How can we ensure that Israel will follow through with their promise to withdraw from the Gaza Strip when they have promised this before and broken their promise? I highly doubt that the Palestinians will put an end to their terrorist acts with just the occupation of the Gaza Strip – they want the West Bank; why would they all of a sudden give in to an unpleasant offer?
My response to the plan for Kashmir is much the same: years of conflict and hatred can not realistically be washed away by the implementation of a referendum. This idea for a referendum was proposed first in 1948, and it obviously did not happen. Pakistan has had the right to call a referendum for the last 50 years; how can we ensure that one will finally happen when the opportunity and need has been there for so many years, yet nothing has happened? Even if a referendum does happen, we can not accept that either of the 2 results will allow for peace. If Kashmir becomes part of Pakistan, won’t its economy be doomed to crumble?
Both of our peace plans were too idealistic – we should not place so much faith in humanity.
3. I would have made the following additions to the Peace Plans:
• Jerusalem was never discussed; I would have added a clause in the plan to make Jerusalem an international state.
• Many countries vowed to give aid to the Israel/Palestine conflict; how about offering to impose economic sanctions upon Israel and Palestine if they do not follow through with the things set out in the peace plan.
• Instead vaguely saying that the talks concerning the West Bank would begin once the Palestinian government was “settled”, I would have set a specific interim time period of 5 years for the Palestinians to establish a comprehensive government; if they have do not establish a successful government by this time, the talks will be set ahead another 2 years.
• I would have added a clause to the peace plan that would order the immediate abolishment of the “security fence”.
• I would have also put some kind of economic sanctions on India and Pakistan; thus, forcing them to abide by their promise to have a referendum.
• I would have created a specific clause stating that if Kashmir does become a part of Pakistan by majority, India will still be allowed to have limited economic influence over the area, as it will attempt to uphold some of Kashmir’s current stability.
4. Who had the most influence in establishing international peace solutions? I’d have to say myself (NATALIE) and my partner (KRISTAN). Just for clarification, we technically count as a single person as we acted as a single country; our goals and actions to achieve those goals were acted upon through a shared mindset. Everyone seems to be crediting the Road to Peace Plan established during the Road to Peace Conference to Israel. TRY LOOKING BACK ON THE IR CHAT TO THE SECOND MANDATORY POST BY FRANCE. YOU WILL SEE A PEACE PLAN CALLED TIMPP. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THIS PLAN IS STRANGELY IDENTICAL TO THE ONE PROPOSED BY ISRAEL. Therefore, because I (I being France) was the first to propose this plan which eventually allowed for agreement between Israel and Palestine, I would be the most influential person in establishing international peace. Furthermore I (once again I meaning France) created a peace conference with strict rules that allowed for our proposal to be voiced, discussed, and agreed upon. If this organized environment had not existed, peace would have been slower and harder to reach. 
5. I wish I didn’t have to answer this question with a single person, because there is no point on placing blame to one person in an international community. If anything I would place the blame upon myself, because I sometimes got too heated in arguments – but I’m not going to. Instead, I will place the blame on Sharon, because of the initial peace plan I believe he proposed (if I am wrong please excuse me). The plan to move the Palestinians into Iraq was a ridiculous idea, in my opinion. The majority of time in Canada’s peace conference was spent arguing over this outrageous idea, meaning that time that could have been used to discuss a realistic plan was wasted.
5. I played the role of the microwave throughout the IR simulation. I was able to radiate my influence without anyone noticing (i.e. through the Peace Plan I originally proposed). Like I have the ability to cook many different types of food, I had the ability to listen to different country’s needs and wants, placed them into a microwaveable dish (my peace plan), switched to the perfect setting (France’s Peace Conference), added the perfect amount of heat (through any conflicts I faced), and the end result was PEACE (allow 5 minutes for cooling). Just like I spark whenever silver is put into me, I sparked whenever I was fed obnoxious comments or rude remarks.
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 06:48:01 PM |
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Kosta [e] |
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Mandatory Post - missed questions:
regarding the question of who was the biggest block to peace, I cant say it as one person because a lot of the reason peace couldn't be established is because a lot of nations were acting out of self interest putting a block to thir own and others peace plans.
Also, Kashmir's peace plan should not revolve around a referendum. Or at least if it is, joining Pakistan should also become an option. If there is a seperation an International Body would have to step in to ensure further ocnlfict between India and Paksitan does not continue in what may be a sovereign Kashmir. |
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 04:35:57 PM |
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Kristan Chan |
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Mandatory Post #3
In my opinion I believe that there has been more of an importance placed in establishing peace in Israel/ Palestine rather than the Kashmir dispute between Pakistan and India because:
· The alliance between Israel and the United States
· Increased media attention towards Israel and Palestine
· Currently there is a ceasefire between India and Pakistan
· Less violence and killings are occurring in the Kashmir situation
· Assassination of the Hamas Leader in recent weeks
I believe that the current peace proposal offers both Israel and Palestine a step in the right direction. The creation of an independent Palestinian state will allow both Israeli and Palestinian people more safety and security since Palestine would be responsible for the actions of its people. It would also allow Palestine to have more control over its people and therefore prevent the spread of terrorism and terrorist attacks. I also believe that the decision for India and Pakistan to hold a referendum to decide the fate of Kashmir was reasonable and would reflect the beliefs of the people living within Kashmir.
Steps that I would have taken differently from the one established in class are:
· Create an effective Palestinian authority
· The give both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank to the Palestinian people
· To create precise border delineations
· Discuss the effect of a newly established Palestinian authority to end terrorist attacks and violence
· To discuss the economic problems facing Pakistan since they rely on India for most of the economic prosperity in Kashmir
· The ability of the UN to aid and support the people of Kashmir during the referendum
· The discussion and possible end of India’s troops in Pakistan
The most influential person in establishing peace was the entire international community because every country offered ideas and suggestions throughout the simulation to get the peace plan into the final stage. I believe that each country contributed to the discussion of ideas and the final peace proposal was the result of over three weeks of creating and discussing different approaches and ideas.
The person that created the most problems in establishing peace was Saheb because of his behaviour and comments to different countries within the international community and throughout the simulation. His attitude towards others only created tension and hostility between different countries making it difficult to discuss peace plans and proposals.
If I were to compare my role in the IR simulation it would be dish washing machine because I am able to accept different idea and opinion, just like a dishwasher accepts different types of kitchen utensils. I am also able to sort out ideas and throw away bad plans or plans that are one sided, just as a dish washer is able to separate small and large pots and pans and cleans off dirt and grime on dishes. Finally, I would compare myself to a dishwasher because in the beginning the IR simulation was full of tension, hostility and anger, but at the end all countries we able to come together and work through their problems to create an acceptable peace plan, just like a dishwasher cleans and washes away dirt and come outs sparkling clean.
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 03:20:58 PM |
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Zunaira aka Z/Zed [e] |
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(I¡¦m doing this Post from a somewhat of an outsider perspective considering that I wasn¡¦t a country & that I formed my opinion of the issue as it progressed¡Kso I thought the international community just might be curious of my opinion)
In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so?
+ Rightly, importance was placed on the Israel/Palestine (I/P) issue considering the current events that surrounded the issue (i.e. the assassination of Hamas Leader). ~> this then sparked immediate concern to the I/P issue rather than the India/Pakistan Kashmir (I/P/K) issue.
+ However, there¡¦s no doubt that the I/P/K issue should¡¦ve received importance (more than it did) while things are at ease. ~> It shouldn¡¦t take deaths of ppl or unnecessary havoc for one to place importance to an issue.
How do you feel about the current peace offers?
+ It happened awfully abruptly that the current peace offer by U.S. & Israel nearly caused me a heart attack! ~> It¡¦s a righteous peace plan that has great potential b/c it allows Palestine to establish its own state in the Gaza Strip & gives the Palestinians an opportunity to advance in their further desires without violence or terrorist acts.
+ I don¡¦t feel that India & Pakistan reached a reasonable peace plan. India proposed having a referendum where Kashmiris would vote to become a sovereign nation or become a part of India. How DOES THAT establish peace with Pakistan if Pakistan isn¡¦t even included? If India wholeheartedly believes that the Kashmiris are dependent on its economy & that for it to become a part of Pakistan is futile, they should simply include becoming a part of Pakistan as an option. After all, what does India have to be afraid of if it is providing to the Kashmiris?
Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to establishing peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class).
Palestine/Israel issue
- I would¡¦ve never ever in my right mind proposed the first peace plan as a resolution (The one where a piece of Iraq would be granted to the Palestinians). However, I think by having such a horrific plan of displacement, the Palestinians accepted the second plan much quicker than they perhaps would have if it had been the first proposed peace plan.
+ I am quite pleased by the current peace plan but I think the plan should¡¦ve included that Israel would discontinue the building of the fence/wall until further notice. ~> b/c obviously for Palestine to be given the Gaza Strip, they have to discontinue terrorism acts so Israeli security shouldn¡¦t be threatened. If anything ¡K Israel needs security from the fury of its own citizens who reside in the Gaza Strip & will protest when they are plucked out by their own Israeli government.
India/Pakistan issue over Kashmir
+ As simple as a vote on the matter that would include 3 choices.
Kashmir = sovereign nation
Kashmir = belong to India
Kashmir = belong to Pakistan
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain.
+ Seeing as they¡¦re almost one person, Saheb Singh (Mr. Rumsfeld) & Kyle Storton (Mr. Bush) served as the most influential in establishing international peace solution. Erm¡K whaaat? You don¡¦t buhlieve me? Well¡K weren¡¦t they ones who voiced the peace plan, the ones through whom we heard the peace plan, the very peace plan the international community keenly accepted? ¡§MY country will provide whatever financial aid we can¡¨ was the immediate response by many countries. Had the peace plan been proposed by China? India? Israel itself? (to throw a couple of names at you) would it had received the same response? ¡K..¡K¡K¡K¡K¡K¡K¡K¡K¡KI didn¡¦t think so!
+ Also the only one who really suffered by their obscene behaviour was them ~> Having the International Community continuously yell at you is no one¡¦s desire. They had to watch their backs and took what was thrown at them very well.
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
+ There was no person „³ it was the food we were all busy putting into our mouths instead of listening or well speaking (I mean who can speak and be understood by others with food in their mouth?!). ~> If we hadn¡¦t been busy eating, we would¡¦ve been busy proposing peace plans!
If you were to compare your role play in the IR simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
+ Being Media, obviously, that evil knievel television set. Your T.V. it¡¦s there to inform you and sometimes teach you utter B.S. YOU believe what you want. As media, there were times where we were informative and then there were other times where the site links wouldn¡¦t work and we weren¡¦t informative.
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 03:38:33 AM |
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Simon Wong AKA Hu Jintao |
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In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so? How do you feel about the current peace offers?
- more importance to establish peace in Israel/ Palestine
- because it has more international impacts (e.g. in American, European, mid- east, politics vs. only mid- east)
- it concerns the survival of the creation of a state for an entire people
- Kashmir issue is not as ¡§hot¡¨ an issue, as violence have decreased since initial incident and tensions have soothed through time
- Less force and power are involved in the Kashmir issue (no large scale battles, no tanks, no invasions)
Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to establishing peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class).
- would have given both Gaza strip and West Bank to Palestinians
- the USA to provide full cooperation economically
- the UN to provide peacekeepers for keeping order until new Palestinian government gains full control
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain.
- Adam
- Even though he very much mirrored Palestinian views and was very one sided in the beginning, towards the end of the tutorial he seemed to have understood the need for compromise and agreed to an agreement that was not radically unbearable for either sides. Had he continued to keep a hard headed attitude the peace process would definitely not have been possible
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
- Saheb
- Very arrogant attitude (simulated?) and completely mirrored the typical American (Bush?) take on foreign policies. He tends to disregard the needs of others and bluntly place his own in front of them. Stunts such as having a meeting excluding a number of countries and having a rude attitude in a conference further the friction against the peace process. Their ideas contributed in this simulation are mostly one- sided and obviously unacceptable to Palestinians.
If you were to compare your role-play in the ir simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
- a washing machine
- the process is very chaotic, alliances and deals made everywhere like the clothes being thrown around inside the machine. However at the end the are broken and order settles in order to for the peace plan to work, like when the washing and chaos is done, all the clothes are clean
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 12:26:06 AM |
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Saheb - Donald Rumsfeld [e] |
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In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so?
I believe that it is necessary to always resolve the issue that most effects the world stability. Currently, the Palestinian/Israeli conflict has been the most detrimental situation to keeping peace among the international community. Therefore, more time must be given to resolve this issue. In my honest opinion, I feel there was too much time devoted to the Kashmir dispute because there is already a stable process of peace being implemented. This could change at any time, however, we must accept that fact that India and Pakistan are major players in the international community and are quite capable of solving this issue.
How do you feel about the current peace offers? Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to establishing peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class).
I feel that Katie and I did a fantastic job creating the peace plan offered at the final steps of the I.R simulations was a great approach to ease the tension that was lingering within the international community. However, my own plan would be much similar to the final plan. Nevertheless, I would award Palestine, The Gaza Strip and The West Bank immediately out of good display of faith. Hopefully this action would be recognized by the extremist Palestinians and the civilians. Moreover, I would seriously consider taking down the wall, and creating military perimeter instead of an actual wall. This would not appear as if we were giving the Palestinians boundaries, but are patrolling our land.
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain
IN FLAT OUT HONESTY, KATIE AND MYSELF. WE WERE THE ONES WHO PERSUADED KOSTA AND KYLE ABOUT GIVING OVER THE GAZA STRIP AND WEST BANK. MOREOVER, WE THEN PRESENTED THAT IDEA TO THE CLASS. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE THAT THEN SAY IT, SO I CAN PROVE YOU WRONG. THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY DID NOTHING BUT ACCUSE THE UNITED STATES OF COUNTLESS ALIGATIONS. DESPITE ALL OF THE ACCUSATIONS, TELL ME WHICH COUNTRY HAD THE SAME EFFECT AS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ISRAEL ON PEACE. I BELIEVE THE PALESTINIAN MOTTO WAS "WE HAVE NO POWER’. - FRANCE, I DONT EVEN REMEBER THEM CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING BUT CONSTANT BICKERING.- CANADA DID A GREAT JOB OF JUMPING SHIPS WHENEVER A COMMENT WAS MADE. THE SAME CAN GO FOR GREAT BRITAIN, WHO ALSO DID NOT EVEN FOLLOW THEIR CURRENT WORLD POLICIES AND DID NOT TAKE CLAIM TO THE FACT THEY CAUSED THIS ENTIRE FIASCO. CHINA DID A NICE JOB AT THROWING OUT REITERATED COMMENTS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, BIG DADDY AMERICA CAME AND CREATED PEACE. WE CREATED THE PLAN, WE PRESENTED THE PLAN, AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY ACCEPTED THE PLAN.
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace?
I’M SURE YOU ALL OUR WAITING FOR MY RESPONSE ON THIS. WELL ITS NOT A SINGLE PERSON IT’S A GROUP OF PEOPLE. THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. PLEASE, DO NOT SINGLE OUT OR BLAME ONE PERSON AS AN OBSTACLE TO PEACE. YOU MAKE YOURSELF SOUND FOOLISH. CONSIDERING THEIR WILL BE NUMEROUS OPIONIONS, AND PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT AGREE WITH YOU, HENCE ONE PERSON CANNOT BE BLAMED. HOWEVER, IT WAS GREAT TO SEE HOW THE ENTIRE CLASS WAS SO EFFECTED BY ACTIONS AND COMMENTS. IT WAS SUPERB TO SEE THAT THEY WERE MORE PREOCCUPIED WITH THAT WHAT I WAS DOING THEN TO FOCUS ON THE ISSUE AT HAND. I AM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, I WILL DO AS I PLEASE, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DO NOT WORRY, BECAUSE WE WILL COME THROUGH, AND WE DID. SAY IT ALL YOU WANT, BLAME ME ALL YOU WANT, BUT AKNOWLEDGE THE FACT, THAT WITHOUT ME THIS SIMULATION WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN REALISTIC, AND FUN.
. If you were to compare your role-play in the Ir. simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
I would compare my role-play to a Refrigerator. Why, because I was very big, very cool, and I could dish out severe freezer burns.
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Sunday, April 4th 2004 - 12:14:57 AM |
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In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so?
In my opinion there has definitely been a larger focus in establishing peace in the Palestine/Israel issue, as Canada has said before in earlier postings the focus of the simulation has been the fore mentioned issue. I believe the simulation followed this pattern because it is the issue with the most media attention and because the U.S. is more publicly involved it shifts the focus to Palestine and Israel, not to say that the Kashmir issue does not hold great importance. I think, as a class, many were shocked by what they saw in Pakistan’s and India’s presentation but the exposure to the visuals of it furthered our understanding of what horrors are and have been occurring in that region. I think that if their presentation had been shifted to earlier on in the simulation it would have made the Kashmir issue more of a focus. Also India and Pakistan didn’t really talk about their issue until they were asked questions and Israel and Palestine were constantly at each others throats so the focus was automatically on the louder of the two. The Kashmir issues stayed on the backburner because the countries who represented the issue allowed Palestine, Israel and the U.S. talk loader than them and take the focus.
How do you feel about the current peace offers? Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to establishing peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class).
I think the current peace offers are very generous surrounding both Kashmir and Palestine/Israel. India’s plan to hold a referendum in order for the people to decide their own fate is very democratic of them; however it is necessary for the violence to stop for a long enough periods for this to occur. Pakistan is never going to regain complete ownership of this region if India can help it and so at least a referendum lets the decision be the choice of the people instead of greedy self righteous governments trying to get their own way. In the end it is the people in Kashmir who have to deal with their own fate.
Israel’s offer also seems very generous but I am very skeptical to see how the issue would end up working out. It all seems very iffy. Decades of war coming to an end just by giving up a small piece of land? I don’t think it will happen. I think that the Palestinians will not stop until all of their original occupied land is officially theirs and they are officially a state. However I would love to be proven wrong.
I would have split Israel right down the middle allowing Palestine to establish its own state. This way at least the Palestinians might feel justified in the recognition of their needs. Also I believe this is a good idea because both nations of people have been displaced for long periods of time and I think if the Israeli government would give the land up in spite of themselves peace could be achieve though long term agreements and proper funding to Palestine so they could establish a government and feel vindicated although they did suffer much loss.
For the Kashmir dispute I don’t think I could have set up a better plan, it makes sense that the people should choose how they wish to live, everyone will never be satisfied so satisfy the majority.
What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain.
I don’t really think any one person was. I think it was a international involvement that allowed what needed to get done to be done and not one person influenced that greatly.
What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain.
Saheb AKA Rumsfield was the most trouble in obtaining piece by far although Kyle AKA Bush came in a close second. Their disruptive behavior and inability to cooperate and take into consideration the severity of the issues we were discussing and impact it had on the Middle Eastern countries caused great anger throughout the class. I get that they were supposed to represent themselves like that and I think they did a great job but it did not relieve the disruption that they caused.
If you were to compare your role-play in the ir simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
The household appliance Canada would have been was a kettle. We took a lot of what everyone had to say into consideration but when everything got to be too much we blew our lid and let everyone know how we felt about the situation, this happened many times.
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Saturday, April 3rd 2004 - 10:10:48 PM |
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Kosta K [e] |
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Mandatory Post
There has been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel and Palestine during the simulation simply because it has been of great importance for a Palestinian state to be created and since the United States is such a large ally with Israel there was naturally more coverage of that issue during the simulation.
Also there were many events happening in the real world involving Israel and Palestine bringing a lot of attention to the issue.
The current peace offers are great because it allows Palestine to create a state and work “together” with Israel and America to rid the area of conflict and terror.
I would keep the idea of establishing a Palestinian state however I would also put forth a plan regarding what would happen to Jerusalem since it is such an important peace of land to both cultures.
I cannot say it was a single person who was responsible
The United States played a large role, but I would be lying if I said that Israel didn’t either because a lot of Israel’s ideas had to be voiced by America in order to actually be put into action.
A blender: Sharon likes to mix things up. He is very real and when a lot of issues start mixing together he merely does one thing to send everything into an out of control fury. For example, the assassination of Sheik Ahmed Yassin really mixed up the situation in Israel and Palestine.
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Saturday, April 3rd 2004 - 07:25:24 PM |
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The Controllers [e] |
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P.S. The post shall be due on Monday, April 5, 2004- before class starts (BY 1:40 pm) or else face a mark of zero. |
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Thursday, April 1st 2004 - 03:54:17 PM |
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The Controllers [e] |
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Manditory Post #3 (The Final Post). (10 marks).
Everyone is to answer this post as an idividual. No posts from countries. You can (if you wish) keep the same attitude and put forward the same ideas as you have throughout the conference, but it is not necessary. Please try to limit your answers to as small as possible, for there is a lot to mark. (Point form is VERY acceptable.)
In your opinion, has there been more of an importance in establishing peace in Israel/Palestine, or the Kashmir issue between Pakistan and India- why has this been so? How do you feel about the current peace offers? Decide what steps you would have taken differently in the road to eastablishing peace (put forth an original action plan different from the one established in class). What single person was the most influential in establishing international peace solutions? Explain. What single person caused the most trouble in obtaining international peace? Explain. If you were to compare your roleplay in the ir simulation to a household appliance, what would you describe it as and why?
*Remember, this is the last chance to bring up your mark, so do your best... oh, and POINT FORM is wonderful... Good luck to the individual community.*
~The Controllers |
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Thursday, April 1st 2004 - 03:49:05 PM |
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What issues did you address to the international community at the debate?
• Palestine has mentioned The Separation Wall and how it is cutting deep into Palestinian
territories.
• The Withdraw of Israeli settlers in the occupied Palestinian territories.
• and for the Palestinian Refugees to have the right to come back.
What animal has your country resembled most during the simulation; explain? (You do not need
to write your national animal.)
• During the simulation our country has resembled a bird that is caged. This Bird is trying
to find a way to fly free but has not got the chance to, being controlled by a greater more
dominant regime. Still struggling to find a way out of the cage, this bird has been looked
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Wednesday, March 31st 2004 - 09:41:04 AM |
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What issues did you address to the international community at the debate?
• Palestine has mentioned The Separation Wall and how it is cutting deep into Palestinian
territories.
• The Withdraw of Israeli settlers in the occupied Palestinian territories.
• and for the Palestinian Refugees to have the right to come back.
What animal has your country resembled most during the simulation; explain? (You do not need
to write your national animal.)
• During the simulation our country has resembled a bird that is caged. This Bird is trying
to find a way to fly free but has not got the chance to, being controlled by a greater more
dominant regime. Still struggling to find a way out of the cage, this bird has been looked
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Wednesday, March 31st 2004 - 09:40:32 AM |
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Shari [e] |
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Great Britain would just like to extend its thanks to both Canada and France for their invitations to the recent peace talks. We are happy to be a part of the "Road to Peace," and we are pleased that the interntional community has made progress in the way of creating Peace. |
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Wednesday, March 31st 2004 - 01:25:53 AM |
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The recent death of the leader of Hamas is seen as a victory in the war against terror. We do feel some remorse for the Palestinians who are affected by this death, however, they must realize that Islam should not be used as a platform for terrorist activities. We understand that terrorist cells will accuse the United States of taking this very stance, but nonetheless, this "spiritual leader" will no longer cause any further tension between the Palestinians and Israelis, and although it may produce short term anger, we believe it will aid us in our road to peace, in the long run.
Our upcoming goals for the peace conference is to establish peace talks amongst each nation, as we do not wish to further enhance the already troubled situation. More violence is not the answer, and the United States is confident that the new generation who inhabit these nations are tired of the ongoing bloodshed. Therefore, our stance is to help assist in creating dialogues of peace and to hopefully establish a cease fire in both of these hostile regions.
We do not label either side evil, however we do see the terror cells that breed hatred and manipulation amongst the Palestinians as our biggest roadblock to peace. These terror cells create disruptions within their own community to satisfy their own needs. Neither the Palestinian citizens nor the Israeli army can be held completely responsibly for any violence which has occured, but both sides must accept partial responsibility. Once both sides can admit that peace is a joint effort, the peace talks can truly take off. Only once the two nations are in co-operation with each other can peace be achieved. Luckily, we feel this step is not far off, and with a little help from the international community and the allies of both nations, we believe that the talks will rapidly advance.
As witnessed, the United States addressed the severe need for a Palestinian state. Along with Israel and Palestine, we helped establish a contract that will give the Palestinians a homeland in the Gaza strip. Moreover, we plan to aid the West Bank region with utilities and financial aid. We would also like to take a similar stance with the Indian/Pakistani dispute over Kashmir. Bloodshed is not the answer, through neutral discussion of India and Pakistan, the United States would like to take an arbitrary role and help assist in a fair approach to this delicate matter. Again, through dialogues of peace we can attain reconciliation between both nations.
We believe our country is represented best by the American eagle. This creature is the national animal of our nation for a reason. It represents us better than any other. The eagle stands perched above all the other members of the animal kingdom, watching their every movement with incredible precision. The eagle is not hunted by any species, as it rests firmly at the top of its food chain, much like our great nation. It will not attack other animals unless given a reason, but if that reason is given, the other creature does not have a hope of survival. Much like the United States keeps watch over the international community, the eagle keeps watch over the animal kingdom. |
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Tuesday, March 30th 2004 - 11:23:44 PM |
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Desi Dons a.K.a INDIA |
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How will the recent death of the leader of Hamas affect your country's agenda for the rest of the simulation?
The recent death of Sheikh Yassin has not greatly changed our political strategy for this simulation. However, it has highlighted the fact that extreme tension remains within the area. We as a country will continue to act as a neutral party in this conflict but continue to provide aid and understanding to the displaced palestinian people. India stands by its view that Isreal is a legitimate state but has violated land that rightfully belongs to the Palestinian people. In order for this conflict to be resolved, Palestine must be allowed to evolve into its own self governed state with clearly set and respected borders. Negotiation is the key, not assissnation...
What are your country's goals in the upcoming Peace conference for helping the Israel/Palestine issue, and the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan?
Goals for Isreal/Palestine conflict:
-Removal of all Isreali forces from land that is recognised to belong to Palestine (Oslo, 1993)
-Reopen negotiations between two countries
-Palestinian hand over of known terrorists and terrorist cells acting within the area.
Goals for India/Pakistan conflict:
-Disarmament of Rebels funded by Pakistan along borders
-Continued ceasefire in order for negotiations to prevail
-Return of all land rightfully belonging to India and its citizens
Which group does your country see as the greater evil, in that they are the bigger cause of problems in the middle east, the Palestinian civilians, or the Israeli army?
India see's the Isreali Army being the greater evil in the land dispute. The civilians are fighting for a belief that they belive to be righteous and just, they use whatever means they can to defend themselves from thier protrayed oppressors. Please note that India does not place terrorists in the category of civilian. However, the isreali army are overly aggresive towards the palestinian people, they fire steel bullets while the palestinian people throw rocks. When fighting against a much less able enemy, it is necessary to show restraint and act in a passive matter, the isreali army does not do this. They are furthering the hatred and tension within the area. Negotiation is the key, not tanks and jets...
What issues did you address to the international community at the debate?
We addressed the issue of the 'fence' towards Isreal. We believe it is highly uneccessary and will only intensify the problem because of the segregation. Also, we addressed the US's reluctance to take hold of the situation, they helped create it, they must find a way to resolve it. We last and most important issue we discussed was ours and Pakistan's nuclear capabilities. We still stick to our choice to maintain a nuclear arsenal only as a deterrent to potential attackers.
What animal has your country resembled most during the simulation; explain?
So far, India has been an elephant. We are large and powerful and look out for the interests of our people. We are passive, only using force when necessary. We shall continue to act this way up to and until reckoned with.
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Issue 3 address is ~> http://www14.brinkster.com/irjournalissue3/International%20Relations%20March%2029.htm
Best time to check the news would be tomorrow between 7:30-9:00pm :)
If you feel as though loud voices hide yours, why not write and article to get your points across?
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Tuesday, March 30th 2004 - 12:41:14 AM |
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Hello one, hello all!
The media site for this issue 2 (March 23 & 26th articles)is ~>
http://www12.brinkster.com/irjournal/International%20Relations%20March%2026.htm
Please do not hesitate to send in articles or letters.
Also, don't forget to vote! :)
Issue 3 (that would be today's articles) address should be checked for 8:30pm tonight! :)
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Monday, March 29th 2004 - 03:47:37 PM |
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1. "A viable Palestinian state, as part of a negotiated and agreed settlement, which guarantees peace and security for Israel is the objective." (PM Tony Blair) In light of the recent assasination of Ahmed Yassin, Britain's objective does not change, but rather, we feel a need to emphasize the security of both Palestinian and Israeli civilians. This action is seen as a severe setback in the peace process, but Britain intends for it (the peace process) to continue to move forward.
2. Britain's goals in the upcoming peace conferences:
* regarding Israel/Palestine issue:
- creation of a Palestinian state is central to the objective of peace
- Israelis and Palestinians to live peacefully side by side
- minimize civilian deaths
* regarding the Kashmir dispute:
- militant actions: what are the governments plans of actions to reduce/obliterate militants?
- nuclear weaponry: both countries have said they have them, yet they do not plan on using them. Britain sees the presence of these nuclear weapons (regardless whether or not they are used) to be a blockade to the peace process.
- escalation of violence jeopardizes the safety of civilians
3. There is no "greater evil" since both sides have done things to aggravate the situation. However, the Israeli assasination of the Hamas chief is condemned by Britain, although we see Israel's need to defend itself against terrorism. Palestinian militants (e.g. suicide bombers) are also contributing to this continued aggravation.
4. posted prior to the debate on Friday.
5. At the debate, Britain discussed the presence of nuclear weapons in the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan. We did not get to every point we'd planned to, so we will present those points at the peace conferences on Monday and Tuesday.
6. During this simulation so far, Britain has closely resembed a cat: closely watching and observing, making a move only when we feel it is necessary, rather than pouncing on anything that moves. We have also maintained a calm composure, like a cat, by preferring to diplomatically discuss and solve the issues of Palestine/Israel and the Kashmir conflict rather than through combat or through uncivilized shouting and hollering. |
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Monday, March 29th 2004 - 01:36:21 PM |
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Mandatory Posting #2:
o How will the recent death of the leader of Hamas affect your country's agenda for the rest of the simulation?
The recent murder of the Hamas spiritual leader, Sheikh Ahmad Yassin has greatly affected our country’s agenda, as well as the entire simulation. Yassin was not just a leader, but a spiritual leader, and was considered the Godfather. The fact that he was murdered by the Israelis minimizes most chances of peace between the two nations, as the Palestinians, and Muslims in general, feel that the Israelis have insulted not only them, but their religion, as Yassin preached Islam. Also, contrary to the claim that Israel wanted to spread peace by their act, it will result in more hatred and retaliation towards them from the Palestinians. It has affected our agenda in the sense that we will now promote the Palestinian struggle for a nation even more. We see not only by Yassin’s death, but by a comparison of the death tolls in both nations that the Palestinians are suffering and dying more than the Israelis. The Palestinians are robbed of basic necessities and human rights which every person is entitled to, while the Israelis generally live very prosperous lives.
o What are your country's goals in the upcoming Peace conference for helping the Israel/Palestine issue?
We intend to provide support and aid to the Palestinians to the full extent we are able to, and feel that one of the best ways possible to solve this issue would be by bringing in the United Nations, and giving them the full ability to take any steps possible they feel will better the situation. We feel that the UN would be the best choice, as they have put in the L.O.C (line of control) in Kashmir, and it is working quite well, as there have not been many deaths in the ceasefire line area for a very long time. Also, since our country is not very economically stable, we cannot be of great assistance to the Palestinians. We believe that the best way to help their great cause would be if the other Arab nations as well as countries in the O.I.C (organization of Islamic countries) financially aid them so that basic human necessities can be provided for them. Also, we will help the Palestinians in creating a state of their own and believe Israel should help with this just cause as well, because if they want someone to blame for the terrorism, they will be able to blame the government rather than innocent civilians. Lastly, we will try to convince Israel to stop the building of the wall, because it makes them secular, and upsets the possible peace in the Middle East.
o What are your country's goals in the upcoming Peace conference for helping the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan?
Our goal to help the ongoing dispute of Kashmir between India and us, will be to do what is in the best interest for the people of Kashmir. We do not care much of the resources Kashmir has to offer, as we are willing to give up the entire state itself so that it could become an independent country. But Kashmir’s counterpart, India seems to want Kashmir solely for its resources as it generates much income, but the people living in Kashmir are living in horrible situations. Women are being raped daily, children are being physically abused, and most Muslim Kashmiris are regarded as “terrorists” by the Indians. Our objective is to free the people of Kashmir from this hardship, and bring them to prosperity. We have recently had friendly relations with India, and intend to keep it this way. Instead of going to war as we did in the past to solve conflicts, we intend to use peaceful means to gain what we feel is best for everyone. The L.O.C is working very well, and we feel that the international community and the United Nations should help this situation by taking other means necessary to further peace for Kashmir.
o Which group does your country see as the greater evil, in that they are the bigger cause of problems in the middle east, the Palestinian civilians, or the Israeli army?
We believe both countries are equally a threat to the Middle East because Palestinian Muslim extremist and their Patriotisms continuously defy logic through means of attacks and disregard the affect of such an action. Palestinian justifies its actions through vengeance. Israel has provoked such actions through an inability to successfully provide peace plans/treaties. It has also provoked Palestine through occupying many regions believe to be their own by using artillery and violent means.
o What issues did you address to the international community at the debate?
In the debate, we debated that Britain was responsible for not making Palestine a state while the British Amendment of 1948 stated that Israel should make Palestine a state as soon as the country of Israel itself becomes a state.
We debated the issue of Kashmir and why we believe the people of Kashmir would benefit by joining out country, economically and religion-wise.
o What animal has your country resembled most during the simulation; explain? (You do not need to write your national animal.)
We feel that the Horse would symbolize us because we are neutral, passive, and mildly aggressive only kicking our enemies if necessary. We do not involve ourselves in other country’s problems unless it’s for peace. We defend ourselves if we feel we are being threatened. If our enemies are greater, we will use our fast strength to solve the problem or sprint away without causing war. We are anti-terrorists.
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Monday, March 29th 2004 - 01:13:55 PM |
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How will the recent death of the leader of Hamas affect your country's agenda for the rest of the simulation?
The death of Mr. Yassin has pushed Iraq to further try to broker peace between the two nations. Iraq condemns any slaughter of innocent civilians and realises that Israel must use restraint when it comes to targeting innocent leaders. As a country, Iraq still wholly supports the Palestinians. The killing of Yassin will only enrage the fanatics further and push the Palestinians towards intense extremism. This attack will only cause further violence and will not in any way be productive to those who desire peace. Our agenda, as before, is still primarily focused on supporting the creation of a Palestinian state and the right for its people to rule themselves.
The violence has once again required us to raise our voices and request UN peacekeepers within the region. As the past has proven, when UN peacekeepers do come into a hotspot, peace and stability is often the result. But this cannot be accomplished until the Palestinian leadership is delegated more authority over it’s people. This will allow them to target and reign in terrorists properly and with less outrage. It is in the International community’s best interests to have a stable Middle East.
Our agenda has not changed. We are now only more committed to peace for we foresee violent reaction to Yassin’s death. Violence which we feel can be prevented if the right steps are taken. We request both sides to exercise restraint and call on Israel to stop targeted assassinations for they are counter productive and barbaric.
What are your country's goals in the upcoming Peace conference for helping the Israel/Palestine issue, and the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan?
As we have stated above, there needs to be a Palestinian State so resolve the issue. The state also, at its installation, should be allowed to maintain UN peacekeeping forces to help stabilize the situation and aid the newly formed state. Our goal is to see a stable Middle East and a prosperous and productive Palestinian state. We shall try to engage the two countries to see eye to eye and request Israel to break to the silence and speak up. It is not time to hide behind walls, it is time to come forward and broker peace.
As for the Kashmir issue, Iraq wishes for friendly relations with both countries. We laud the two governments for carrying out plans of action during the cricket tournament and hope that these steps can be taken further to fully resolve the issue. We recognise the claims for the land yet urge the two sides to hold a fair and legal referendum on the issue of Kashmir. It should be up to the Kashmiri people to decide where they wish to be. Iraq just wishes this be carried out swiftly and with the least amount of bloodshed. Again, we commend both sides for trying to broker peace and maintaining an open policy.
Which group does your country see as the greater evil, in that they are the bigger cause of problems in the middle east, the Palestinian civilians, or the Israeli army?
We see the Israeli army as the bigger problem in the Middle East. Though we recognise the role of terrorism in Palestinian practises, the death toll clearly indicates that it is the Israelis who are killing more people and carrying out acts of state terrorism. Also we see the weaponry and the prowess of Israeli military might against the stone throwing Palestinians and we realise that things aren’t what they seem. We see the larger, more powerful country taking full advantage of the weaker one. We condemn the Israeli army and the acts of violence it has perpetrated in the Holy Land. They are unreasonable and only further the violence. We recognise the Palestinian right and view the Israeli army as occupiers and a major cause of the violence.
What animal has your country resembled most during the simulation; explain? (You do not need to write your national animal.)
We see ourselves Orcas (Killer Whales). We protect our brethren and never turn away from what is just. We do not fear standing up to sharks and other threats to our pod. We can be peaceful and graceful when befriended, yet once turned upon, we become ferocious and dangerous. We are loyal and majestic and though we are often underestimated, once angered of threatened, we become worthy opponents.
Orcas are nurturing and loving. They thrive on affection and display great emotion and passion. They are wise and intelligent and they often help each other achieve and maintain goals which have been set (For example: Sharing food, catching food, bringing up the young). They are very vocal and can communicate remarkably well amongst themselves. They have strong social bonds and are peaceful by nature, enjoying the fruits of the sea and being perfectly peaceful amongst one another.
Orcas reflect Iraq in the simulation due to the fact that we do not fear to stand up to the powers that be (The US) and are very vocal for what we believe in. We desire peace and have forged strong bonds with our brethren and those truly wishing to help and befriend us. We have carried ourselves with dignity and have never backed away from what we see as just. We stck by our friends and do not let go.
Ali Sistani
Jalal Talabani
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Monday, March 29th 2004 - 12:47:10 AM |
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FRANCE [e] |
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France would like to make a small correction to the invitations we issued out on Friday. Some of the invitations may have stated that the ROAD TO PEACE conference would be held on March 31. The conference is in fact scheduled to take place on Tuesday, March 30, 2004.
We apologize for any confusion, and we hope that you will attend.
- Jacques Chirac (President)
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Sunday, March 28th 2004 - 11:18:57 PM |
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The recent death of the leader of Hamas will affect our country’s agenda in several ways, because Sheikh Yassin’s death will ultimately lead to more terrorism and terrorist acts in the future. Ways in which our country will be affected during the rest of the simulation include:
• Creating an effective security authority, since Palestinians may vow revenge over the killing of the Hamas leader
• The end of Israeli settlement on Palestinians land, along the Gaza strip. This idea will be in jeopardy due to the mistrust and closing of the Gaza strip by the Israeli military after the death of the Hamas leader
• The prevention of violent acts by both Israeli and Palestinian people. This fundamental belief also seems in danger because the death of the Hamas leader will add fuel to the fire and the cycle of violence and counter violence
• The formulation of a new Palestinian government to ensure security. This idea is in danger because of Israel’s attack on the Hamas leader, and Palestinian people insisting on revenge. The people are too focused on a counter attack, and hatred towards the Israeli government and military force.
• Perhaps the UN must stake a firmer stance in this situation; they may act to prevent further barbaric acts of violence.
France would further like to express the disappointment and disgust that we felt as a result of this barbaric act. Fighting fire with fire is no more than a demonstration of complete immaturity and impulsiveness. We hope that Israel will end this crude retaliation, otherwise we will not lend out support (and our support DOES matter).
Our country’s goals in the upcoming Peace Conference for helping the Israel and Palestine issue are:
• To form an autonomous Palestinian state along the Gaza strip, and end the military and settlement activity by the Israeli people
• The creation of a new Palestinian Authority as a part of a new and complete government, which will be constructed on the basis of security needs.
• The ability of the Palestine Authority and the new government to meet the security needs of both the Palestinian people and Israeli people.
• The ability of the United Nations to play a role in controlling and preventing violence between Israel and Palestine
• The discussion of the future of Jerusalem and its holy places and the troubling question of Palestinian refugees; should this land become an international zone?
• The need for precise border delineations in order to prevent further violence and terrorist act between Israel and Palestine
• To come to a resolution of the excessive occupation of Palestinian land by Israeli settlers.
Our country’s goal in the upcoming Peace Conference concerning the Kashmir situation between India and Pakistan are:
• The ability for both nations to ensure security and the end of interwar conflicts
• The concern of India controlling the majority of the economic prosperity in Kashmir
• The concern of India controlling and supplying the majority of food and essentials for life in Kashmir
• The ability of the United Nations to play a vital role in ending and preventing further violence to the people of India and Pakistan in Kashmir’
• To address the issue of the living conditions of the people of Kashmir, since thousands of civilians complain of inhuman living conditions, rape and the mistreatment of women and children
• The ability of both countries to create a sovereign state within Kashmir
• To create an agreement of peace and a secure border for civilian of both countries
Our country views the Israeli army as the greater evil in the situation between Israel and Palestine because of their intent to use military force and violence as a means of exploiting fear within the Gaza strip and the West Bank. The Israeli army and government were also responsible for the death of the Hamas leader, and many sources believe that it was personally organized and directed by Mr. Sharon. These acts of violence will inevitably cause more violence and hate between Israel and Palestine, and will only add fuel to the situation.
Issues that our country addressed during the international debate were:
• The economic instability in Kashmir between India and Pakistan
• The ability of both India and Pakistan to create a sovereign state as a way to create peace and security
• The mistreatment of women and children in Kashmir by Indian forces
• The end of interwar conflicts between India and Pakistan as the death rate has reached over 40 000 people in the last five years
• The creation of an autonomous Palestinian state will give Palestinians the recognition they deserve, and will allow for a reconstruction of the current Palestinian Authority by the new government.
• The new government will be strictly formulated based on security needs, which will benefit Israel, as it will work to end terrorism and establish a proper security sector.
• The ability of the United Nations to ensure peace among Israel and Palestine
• The end of Israel settlements and military forces along the Gaza strip in order to form a Palestinian state.
France has resembled a camel throughout the simulation. We are friendly, helpful and cooperative; just like we help people get from place to place, we help mediate by going from country to country to listen to all points of view. We can always be found in the Middle East, where we lend help to its inhabitants. The humps we have filled with water represent the minds of our leaders that are filled with complete knowledge of the situation, and the ideas we possess to overcome the roadblocks. The fact that we can survive in harsh arid climates, shows that we have perseverance – difficult situations will not cause us to give in, and any pathetic insults we receive from other large powers will not bruise our egos. Finally, we are insidious creatures. We are seemingly harmless but have hidden abilities that you must be aware of. If you irritate us, we will not hesitate to spit on you and trample over you repeatedly. |
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Sunday, March 28th 2004 - 11:09:03 PM |
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Second Mandatory Post:
Israel’s agenda has not changed because of Yassin’s death. We have always expressed our views and positions on the subject of terrorism. This is a positive step in stopping the violence from these terrorist groups. We will not change our outlooks and actions until terrorism is stopped.
The goals we wish to achieve regarding Israel and Palestine are quite simple. We wish to maintain Israeli security by putting an end to terrorism and reach a peace agreement. When an end to violence is ensured, Israel will discuss peace and, of course, the creation of a Palestinian state. If the terrorism is not stopped, we will implement our Iraqi Peace Plan, which will be explained at the peace conference.
Our goal in Kashmir is to help, not hinder, the peace process. We hope that the ceasefire between India and Pakistan can serve as an example to the Palestinian people that when violence is stopped, anything can be achieved! Israel fully supports peace in Kashmir, but at the present time, our attention is focused mainly on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
It would be foolish for us to say that the Palestinian civilians are the greater evil, because it is quite clear that the only evil are the Palestinian extremists and militants. To blame the rest of the civilians for the actions of known terrorist organizations would be unethical, and just plain incorrect.
At Friday’s debate, Israel mainly addressed the issue of our actions against terrorism. We also responded to other countries’ concerns and opinions.
In the simulation thus far, Israel can best be compared to an owl. Owls are extremely protective of their young, which can be paralleled in our dedication to the protection of the Israeli citizens. Owls are strong, powerful, and fierce. They have extremely sensitive hearing and can twist their necks up to 270° in each direction, allowing for incredible sensory perception; Israel is always up to date, on track, and aware of its surroundings. Owls sit back, but when necessary will take action to further their cause (ie: get dinner) or protect their young.
--Ariel Sharon
--Silvan Shalom
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Mandatory Posting # 2
How will the recent death of the leader of Hamas affect your country's agenda for the rest of the simulation?
The recent death of the leader of Hamas affects our countries agenda because Canada's position in the simulation is to act as a mediator of peace between Israel and Palestine and to come to a resolution. However with the recent events it will break down the lines of communication between Israel and Palestine which acts as a roadblock during our peace conference which is to occur on Monday, March 29th one week after his death.
Although the recent death of the leader may act as encouragement for the two countries to take immediate action on the issue because to many deaths have taken place over an issue that lies solely in land occupation.
What are your country's goals in the upcoming Peace conference for helping the Israel/Palestine issue, and the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan?
Canada has no direct involvment in the Kashmir dispute, we feel that our interest lies more heavily in the Israel/Palestine conflict. Our goals in the upcoming peace conference is to facilitate peace talks between the two and to come up with conflict resolution so that both sides feel that their needs have been accomodated. We also would like to approach the issues of Palestines control over its people and their lack of initiation in the abolishment of terrorism aswell as Israels tactics (the wall) that are currently furthering the dispute rather than protecting its people.
Which group does your country see as the greater evil, in that they are the bigger cause of problems in the middle east, the Palestinian civilians, or the Israeli army?
Canada see's the Palestinian civilians as the greater evil in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. The lack of control that the Palestinian government has over its people and the great amount of propaganda that they are fed serves to make people angry and hostile and to act out in an un-unified which acts as a greater danger to all people. This is not to say that Canada believes in any way that the Israeli troops do not act as a deterant to peace however we believe that structure and control play an important role in being able to come to a solution and without that the palestinian people serve as a greater danger as well as being the greater evil between the two.
What issues did you address to the international community at the debate?
The issues that Canada addressed to the international community during the debate where that:
1) We felt that the palestinin government needed to gain control over its people in order for action to be taken.
2) It was not fare for the middle eastern countries to expect the United States to be the ones to come up with a peace plan and be the ones to take action when Isreal and Palestine themselves have no idea what needs to take place in order for peace to occur.
3)That the Palestinian peoples expetations and needs were never going to be met in a way that would stop all terrorism from occuring unless Isreal were to give up all of its land. In order for peace to take place the Palestinian government needs to take a responsibility for its people and the actions that they are taking and not allow them to use Religion as a scapegoat for the terrorism that is taking place.
What animal has your country resembled most during the simulation; explain?
Our country has played the role of the dog. We are your best friend but our allies have a ferocious bite when angered. |
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To all who are invited to the peaceconference tommorow:
1)Please remember to have your invitations visible or you will not be allowed entry into the house of commons
2)The conference will start at exactly 2:oo pm but introductions will start at 1:50 pm
3)Have three points available because you will be given an alloted time to reveal your ideas
4)Come with peace in mind!
Thankyou
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Sunday, March 28th 2004 - 09:10:56 PM |
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try MACEDONIA, not "Macidnia"
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Sunday, March 28th 2004 - 06:33:53 PM |
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ok Uzair. i understand what u r saying in a a minimal way. let me explain something. i wrote that post at 12:30 in the morning after coming home from 6 hours of work, and 9 hours of community service, so spelling was not my main concern. i would also like to say that everything i posted was from strait memory, i did not have time to look at posts, as i had school in the morning, so yes i made mistakes, but not all that you would say i did.
Englad gave the country to 2 seperate religious groups (hindu and Muslims). The war was inevitable. If england only gave land to one of them, they would fight the british, and it they gave land to both, they would have a civil war. This was better in G.B.'s mind than having british soldiers being killed.
ok at least in this way, as the palastinians are calling for all arabs, and muslims to rise up against the israelis, at least it will not be targetting civilians (Isreal), but instead they will be targetting uniformed soldiers. Yes an assasination is bad, but in this case, the ends just may justify the means--the Arabs may still target the civilains, but there will hopefully be battles amongst soldiers, so it will be more "civilized" if you will. that may not make sence to you, but it does, as killing inocents is not the greatest idea.
How can you say the leader of a publically known terrorist organization who has claimed responsiblity for dozens, if not hundreds of suicide bombings not a terrorist? I guess you could say that Osma Bin Ladden is not a terrorist, because he himself did not fly the planes into the pentigon, WTC, and pensylvania....
About the americans finding oil in the middle east, i have checked my sorces again, and i relize that it was americans who found oil in SAUDI ARABIA, sry about the mistake.
And about the superpowers in the post, Athens did not fight mycenia, but neither did the persians, it was another country who later became the residants of athens (the minioans), so in that case its not great, u seem to forgete about Alaxander the Great who conquered all of persia in Greece's name even though he was from Macidnia. The greeks fought a war with the spartans, where not many were sparred from the combat. Especially after the plauge that it Athens. Athens yes was a culteral powerhouse, but that also gave them power, as Athens was at war with sparta for 10 years (431-421 BC) called the poloponesian war.
The roman empire at its hight was only subject to fighting to the area now known as germany. In this war, the romans used all possible powers to destroy the reblions. They killed anything that fought against them. Yes the now known as british were seperate clans (as the germans were), but they were ruthless to both the british and the scots. The romans built a wall between the two countries to stop fighting the scots, because the scots would raid roman encampments, so the romans did the same to the scots, and would murder any they found.
if your statement was right about people fighting back when they are taken power away, yes this does happen in most times, but not always. The jews never went to war against the romans, and you can also turn that argument against the palestinains, and the jews. The palastinians, becuase they lost the war, get over it, and admitt that the land is someone elses now, whether u like it or not, and that the jews had the land first, but were forced out (dont know the entire story b/c im not religious), and you could say that the israelis are wrong, because the palastinians had the land, and the jews "took" it off them (really it was the british).
just so that you can not say i am wrong, ill give examples with the points i have given..
monguls- They were ruthless. Ghangus Khan (their leader) would kill any one that was not with them.
cothlocs-in the Catholic church, they bruttally fought anyone who was agianst them, as the Pope had his own personal army. There was also the "Spanish inquestion" which would take me all day to explain, so look it up
british-spread small pocks and many other very dangerous diseases to the indians to take their land, used africans as slaves, killed many innocent civilians in the american revolutionary war, and you can look at the fact of the indians for the canadian part again, and the fact that the french were not treated as eaquals by the british (and we are still paying for that now with the divition between ontario, and quebec)
Germans-internment camps, treated russian P.O.W.'s with ABSOLUTLY no respect, and killed many of them, and in many war posters were spread the word that basically the germans were evile people.
Russians-look at Mcartny (i think thats how its spelled)and what happend if you were called a communist, you have Eastern Germany, where the germans were punished severly by the Russians for WW2, even 35-40 years later. I thank-you for you insight, and in some of my points, i was off, but some of them i was on.... well good luck you all in the debate, this is going to be one of the turning points in the class.
i dont think that you are Anti-American because i know who that is, and it is not you.
Uzair, lets use a little comon sence here, by looking at the wrod, what do you think i meant by "REBEOUS"?? Come on you smarter than that.
just as a side note, when you dont focus on the facts, but on the ability of someone to spell it does not look very proffetional, but that you are unable to really make comments on the facts. i know that you can, but the fact is that someone who does not know you would think less of that.
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The issues we intend to discuss and hopefully resolve at todays general debate are as follow:
1)Territorial dispute over Kashmir
- Whether a vote for the future of Kashmir is plausable?
- Pakistan's commitment to peace and diplomacy
- Negotiate the return of land rightfully belonging to India
- Compensation to families devastated by terrorist and rebel actions
2)Isreal/Palestine conflict
- Withdrawal of Isreali forces from Gaza Strip & West Bank
- Justification for assassination of Sheikh Yassin
- Feasibility of Palestinian State and Government
- Future contribution India can make to facilitate peace
3)India's future Global & Regional position
- Potential investment from foriegn MNC's to enhance our economic strength
- Trade agreements with neighbouring China & Pakistan
- Increased involvement in the UN to ensure world peace and sustainability
As a Country, we strive for peace and prosperity, equality and development. Our main focus for the future is to improve the quality of life for our people and to attain Global understanding and a universal commitment to humanity. |
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Friday, March 26th 2004 - 01:01:38 PM |
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Peace is the ultimate goal of our country --Pakistan. The issues which we wish to discuss and solve are:
1.) Kashmir. Although Pakistan and India have recently been on very well terms, the issue of Kashmir remains untouched. Both nations have worked towards peaceful means by accepting and embracing each other’s cultures, looking beyond the violent past, and focusing on the future alliance of both countries. Pakistan has made a huge step towards peace by altering its foreign policy, in welcoming hundreds of Indians into our country, so that both countries could watch the cricket matches together. But, Kashmir has not been brought up as both countries still want full possession of the state, and neither India nor Pakistan has made the first move in bringing it up, as both are afraid that this issue will wreck the friendship in progress. But it is still a matter of great concern, and must be brought up. As per the agreement made in 1947, all Muslim-dominated states were to be part of Pakistan, and the others part of India. Kashmir was, and still is a Muslim-dominated state, and must be given back to its rightful owners, the Pakistanis. Also, the L.O.C (line of control), which has been set up by the UN has moderated the constant shootings done by both sides, but it did not solve the issue. What Pakistan feels the best way to solve this dispute is by having a referendum, and finding out what the people of Kashmir want, rather than the two countries fighting over it.
2.) The need for the Palestinians to be given the land that they are rightfully entitled to. Palestinians have been oppressed by the Israelis for several years, and deserve to live in peace and security, as well deserve equal, if not more aid than what is given to the Israelis. Pakistan intends to help Palestine in their struggle not because they are Muslim, rather as our duty to ensure that the Israelis are not violating their human rights. We feel that our ally the United States should aid both nations equally, instead of favouring the already rich Israelis. The killing of Sheikh Ahmad Yassin was a terrorist act committed by the Israelis, which will end in retaliation from the Palestinians. Pakistan believes that all countries who are working towards success in “The War on Terrorism” should rationally look at the situation at hand, and realize that if the Israelis wanted to silence the voice of Yassin, they could have used peaceful means rather than brutally murdering him. Israel has no right to say that the Palestinian people are terrorists, when the Israel government itself murdered an innocent man. Also, the Gaza Strip and West Bank are part of the Palestinians land, and Israel must leave what is not rightfully theirs, and present it back to its rightful owners, Palestinians. Lastly, the building of the wall must be stopped, as it does nothing but create more ruckus.
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Friday, March 26th 2004 - 12:58:09 PM |
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On Friday, March 26, 2004, Israel intends to address the following:
1. Israeli Security:
How this can be obtained through the cessation of all forms of terrorism.
The present necessity of the Israeli Security Fence.
Groups/Countries that currently threaten the Israeli people and their security.
2. The use of children in the conflict:
It has come to our attention that children (and teenagers) have been and continue to be utilized to aid and/or progress terrorist actions in this conflict.
3. The occupation of the Gaza Strip:
And other disputed territories.
- Ariel Sharon
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Friday, March 26th 2004 - 10:04:46 AM |
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How will the recent death of the leader of Hamas affect your country's agenda for the rest of the simulation?
-The affect of the assassination of the former leader of hamas has not changed the whole political agenda of Palestine, but it has arised the conflict between the two state and made it worse. The Palestinian people are raging for the death of their spiritual speaker who faught for their freedom and independence. The real reason of the assassination of Sheikh Yassin was because he inspired resistance, the real dirty crime was commited by a regime which is trying to maintain an illegal occupation by commiting war crimes and leaving the people of Palestine no choice but to resist. and what this assassination did is that it only gave the "terrorist acts" a benefit and a chance to grow.
What are your country's goals in the upcoming Peace conference for helping the Israel/Palestine issue, and the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan?
-Palestines goal in the upcoming peace conference is to have the Israeli militants withdrawl from the occupied territories and have the refugees to have the right to come back.
As much as we would like to help with all the conflicts in the world, right now our primary goal is to solve the problems that are happening between the two states of Israel and Palestine.
Which group does your country see as the greater evil, in that they are the bigger cause of problems in the middle east, the Palestinian civilians, or the Israeli army?
-The greater evil that our country seeks is the Israeli army, they have destroyed the homes of the palestinian civilians and they have forced the act of terror upon those innocent people.
What issues do you intend to address in front of the iternational community at the debate on Friday?
-We would like to address the following issues infront of the international community...
1) The Seperation Wall or the "Security Wall" as Israel would like to address it
2) Why Israel has refused to put in UN forces?
3) The assassination of Shiekh Ahmad Yassin
4) The Palestinian Refugees
5) The Sanction of palestinian towns/cities! |
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Friday, March 26th 2004 - 06:41:26 AM |
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How will the recent death of the leader of Hamas affect your country's agenda for the rest of the simulation?
-The affect of the assassination of the former leader of hamas has not changed the whole political agenda of Palestine, but it has arised the conflict between the two state and made it worse. The Palestinian people are raging for the death of their spiritual speaker who faught for their freedom and independence. The real reason of the assassination of Sheikh Yassin was because he inspired resistance, the real dirty crime was commited by a regime which is trying to maintain an illegal occupation by commiting war crimes and leaving the people of Palestine no choice but to resist. and what this assassination did is that it only gave the "terrorist acts" a benefit and a chance to grow.
What are your country's goals in the upcoming Peace conference for helping the Israel/Palestine issue, and the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan?
-Palestines goal in the upcoming peace conference is to have the Israeli militants withdrawl from the occupied territories and have the refugees to have the right to come back.
As much as we would like to help with all the conflicts in the world, right now our primary goal is to solve the problems that are happening between the two states of Israel and Palestine.
Which group does your country see as the greater evil, in that they are the bigger cause of problems in the middle east, the Palestinian civilians, or the Israeli army?
-The greater evil that our country seeks is the Israeli army, they have destroyed the homes of the palestinian civilians and they have forced the act of terror upon those innocent people.
What issues do you intend to address in front of the iternational community at the debate on Friday?
-We would like to address the following issues infront of the international community...
1) The Seperation Wall or the "Security Wall" as Israel would like to address it
2) Why Israel has refused to put in UN forces?
3) The assassination of Shiekh Ahmad Yassin
4) The Palestinian Refugees
5) The Sanction of palestinian towns/cities! |
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Friday, March 26th 2004 - 06:28:50 AM |
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Encylo:
A few things because I really don’t have the time and energy to tackle such baseless arguments.
Ghandi. Yes, he didn’t fire a single bullet. But do you really believe his ‘preaching’ got rid of The British? Even if it did, the violence which resulted (You might want to look up ‘India Pakistan Partition death toll’ sometime) was bloody and shocking. Onto the issue of him securing rights. BULL. The Indian constitution was not brought out by Ghandi, and the violence which erupted saw every right and freedom being violated. Great record there, mate. People died regardless. Who won?
Sometimes you got to put things into perspective. The International community condemned this act because of the violence they foresaw it would bring. They KNOW only bad would come out of this. As for linking him to being a terrorist, I doubt it. He had an opinion he expressed blatantly. “Either you leave, or we make you” He was killed because of what he represented, not what he did.
Known terrorist dead = hundreds of lives saved.
Revered Hero murdered = Mass outrage and violence.
Which stops the violence?
Are you SURE it was the Americans who found Oil in the Middle East? Oil was discovered first in Iran by the British who formed a company (Known then as the Anglo-Persian Oil Company and now and BP) with the Iranians. The British then sought to control Mesopotamia (now Iraq) which was also, according to patterns, a viable oil goldmine. So get that Americans discovered oil BS out of your system. It’s unhealthy.
Your last argument is a pathetic attempt at trying to mould history into your favour. But apparently, you’ve kind of forgotten the ‘colourful’ histories of those ‘supreme powers’ you mention. Lets tackle each one by one shall we?
“We have the anchient atheniens are bad to the mycenians persians, and spartians”
Not only is that badly spelled, it also makes little historical sense. Mycenae wasn’t invaded by Athens, it was the Persians who invaded Greece and the Spartans were probably the best military state in all of Greece. Athens was more a cultural powerhouse than a ‘bad’ empowered city state.
“we have the anchient romans are bad to the germans, british, jews”
Germans sacked Rome, the British (who were essentially dozens of different little tribes) were conquered and the Jews, well I’ll give you that. But their struggle was just in a way. People kind of tend to fight back when they see themselves being abused. it’s a very natural reaction. It doesn’t stem from hatred or jealousy of those in power, it stems from the power being idiotic and trying to force itself upon the world.
I really would go over the rest and show you the light, but just by reading the above two, you might be inspired to delve into history and see the barbaric acts which the ‘empowered nations’ committed. It’s kind of shocking what they did actually. The US, by comparison, seems almost angelic.
Now, you might be thinking that I wrote that pervious post by Anti-American, but if you note clearly, my writing conventions are far different from that individual’s. I do not ‘hate’ America and I really don’t consider it the ‘Great Satan’. All I feel is that if they wish to place policeman and upholders of freedom and justice, they better lose the blatant bias and do their ‘job’ properly.
Also, arguments tend to sound nicer when they are spelt properly and are coherent.
BTW, what is ‘REBEOUS’?
Take Care and God Bless. |
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Friday, March 26th 2004 - 01:19:48 AM |
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What issues do you intend to address in front of the international community at the debate on Friday?
We wish, a country seriously lacking direction, to request a proper agenda and reasoning behind the postponed stay of the Americans within Iraq. We also wish to bring out the issue of Palestine and Israel. Our desire is to see a debate truly ‘open’ and not confined to the barriers of decency. Our goal is to educate and reason with the international community upon the state of affairs in the Middle East. Our address will most likely feature hidden agendas showing face and trying to work out a clear solution to the violence which has engulfed the Middle East. We will try to persuade countries to open their minds and take perspective from another point of view. But when it comes down to it, we desire peace and stability. We shall do whatever it takes (within the bounds of decency) to achieve this objective. |
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Friday, March 26th 2004 - 12:45:40 AM |
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The recent death of Hamas leader Yassin has China greatly worried about the possible impact it may have on the Middle East situation. The Palestinians have our sympathy for the lost of one of their spiritual leaders. We oppose and condemn such a barbarous act of violence from a civilized state such as Israel. China plans to cooperate with the world community in the peace keeping process if the world wishes to cooperate with it. For the Palestinian issue, we call for Israel¡¦s full withdrawal from all occupied Palestinian territories, as they are gestures of invasion and hostile takeover. We plan to continue making active efforts to ease tensions between Palestine and Israel through diplomatic moves such as the Beijing conference. As for the Kashmir dispute, we will actively help create a harmonious, stable and peaceful region there through bilateral cooperation with Pakistan, such as exchanges and cooperation between the two armed forces. Exchanges with Indian armies are also on the list as we look forward to mutual friendship between the two countries. China sees the Israeli army as the cause of problem here; as we are sure suicide bombings from the Palestinians were initially retaliation to aggressions from the Israeli government. Also, the assassination of Yassin has done nothing but escalate the violence and situation. We intend to address the Israelis¡¦ unjustified offences towards the Palestinians and the American¡¦s interventions on other nations¡¦ businesses. |
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Friday, March 26th 2004 - 12:09:33 AM |
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We as the nation of Great Britain intend to address the following issues on Friday March, 26, 2004 in the presence of the international community:
1.) The escalation of violence within the unofficially divided territory of Kashmir--> How can this be monitored and controlled? What can be done to minimize civilian deaths?
2.) Both parties’ possession of nuclear weaponry, the threat that they pose to one another and the international community, as well as their hindrance to potential peace talks between India and Pakistan
I.e. in 1999 India tested AGNI II a 200kT warhead and Pakistan tested GHAURI II a 30kT warhead
What has become of these weapons? What are India and Pakistan's current intentions?
3.) What are the Pakistani and Indian governments' roles in the operation of militant groups? With the ceasefire that was declared over the Line of Control in December 1971, why are there still battles and atrocities still occurring today? Are the governments able to gain control of the militants? Because otherwise the lack of action on both parts appears to the international community as disdain and disregard for the well-being off all involved.
4.) The assassination of the Hamas leader, Ahmed Yassin: "It is unacceptable, unjust and very unlikely to achieve [Israel's] objectives"- Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw; due to its aggravation of an already volatile situation. Although we do understand Israel’s need to protect itself from terror, the act was inappropriate because it has provoked civilian outcry which will lead to retaliation and an increase militant violence. Does Palestine intend to retaliate? If so, this will be a step in the opposite direction of a peaceful solution to this problem.
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Thursday, March 25th 2004 - 11:34:07 PM |
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MANDATORY POSTING#2 - PART ONE
KASHMIR:
Issues we plan to address during the debate with the international community concerning the Kashmir situation are:
• The stability and ability of India and Pakistan to control their areas of Kashmir as hundreds of people are killed in interwar battles
• The issue of India controlling the majority of the economic prosperity in Kashmir and Kashmir’s reliance on India for food and other necessities to survive
• The ability of the UN and international community to lend support and aid to both countries as the people there suffer from inhumane conditions
• The issue of India’s troops in Kashmir causing fear and destruction in Pakistan’s land leading to cases of rape and mistreatment of women and children
• The moral support and pressure created by countries within the UN to help India and Pakistan reach a peaceful agreement
• The ability of both countries to create a sovereign state within Kashmir, divided by a secure border and an agreement of peace
ISRAEL VS. PALESTINE:
France plans to present our peace plan for the Israel-Palestine conflict, in which we have entitled “The Ingenious Master Plan for Peace” (TIMPP), during the open debate. We would first like to address that achieving peace in the Middle East, as the past has demonstrated, is by no means easy or necessarily possible. However, France believes that peace is in fact attainable though it can not be acted on hastily, as it will take much time. TIMPP hopes to create a series of baby steps that will work to achieve peace slowly, by eventually creating a staircase to peace. The following issues are what we plan to address to the international community in the open debate.
1. The end of Israeli settlement activity in a portion of the Gaza Strip in order to form the basis of a Palestinian state.
• The Palestinians currently have a Palestinian Authority, but this Authority lacks full sovereignty – something that the Palestinians should be entitled to.
• All Israeli settlements and military forces must move out of the selected areas, as the land will be in the full possession of the Palestinians.
• The specific size and location of each of the portions is to be decided upon in the “Road to Peace Conference” and the Open Debate.
• Israel will have much control partitioning of land for the creation of a fully-autonomous Palestinian State if they agree to the Peace Plan.
• Occupation of portions of the West Bank will also be discussed, as it may be a goal in the future.
2. Palestine’s newly created government will be make democratic reforms and will look to abolish the use of terrorism.
• The Oslo accords developed the Palestinian Authority indending for it to be a basis for a fully autonomous Palestinian State – it is time to follow through with this.
• The Palestinians are acting in such a violent manner, because of the virtual lack of a decent security authority; there’s nothing that is preventing them from doing it.
• The creation of the new Palestinian State will allow for a reconstruction of the current Palestinian Authority by the government.
• The new government will be strictly formulated based on security needs, which will benefit Israel, as it will work to end terrorism.
• The new government will have more security control over the people in its newly developed state, and terrorism will hopefully be abandoned.
3. The UN (including France) as well as members of the EU will act as mediators whilst attempting to put TIMPP in effect.
• The UN will seek to prevent further violent conflict between Palestine and Israel.
At first glance this plan may seem unrealistic, but the fact is that anything is possible as long as both sides are open to negotiation. They have been stubborn for too long, and it has caused the loss of many lives – is this really worth continuing? (NO!)
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Thursday, March 25th 2004 - 09:43:41 PM |
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MANDITORY POST #2 (10 marks)
Please ensure that all responses are in ON TIME, or else be prepared for a mark of zero. You have been warned- no excuses.
The following post shall be due on Monday, March 29, 2004 by 2:55 p.m. (except where stated).
How will the recent death of the leader of Hamas affect your country's agenda for the rest of the simulation? What are your country's goals in the upcoming Peace conference for helping the Israel/Palestine issue, and the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan? Which group does your country see as the greater evil, in that they are the bigger cause of problems in the middle east, the Palestinian civilians, or the Israeli army? What issues do you intend to address in front of the iternational community at the debate on Friday? NOTE- the previous question is due by Friday at the start of the period five (1:40 p.m.) What issues did you address to the international community at the debate? What animal has your country resembled most during the simulation; explain? (You do not need to write your national animal.) |
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Wednesday, March 24th 2004 - 08:31:57 PM |
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What I have to say is going to be short and sweet (well not short but just sweet) . America is a liar. I say this because first America declares war on terrorism, then comes into our country for the "benifit of the people" "to establish democracy". So for the war on terrorism, many acts of terrorism are being done around the world (assasination of palestinian leader)and the US does NOTHING to prevent this, afterall didnt they start this war ?? why shouldnt they be involved in a war that they started to keep the international community safe. And alll that BS because their reason for staying in Iraq now is different as to why they started the war. The war started becuase US claimed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction ... non were found ... next US claimed the Iraqi people have been suffering under Saddam's regime for far too long... they had many chances to take him out in the past ... MANY...but they didnt. The US is only staying in Iraq to establish a "democratic" government so US can boss around and take as much as oil the want. The international community is not foolish, everyone knows the US's purpose in Iraq, but unfortunately they dont do anything about it and thats sad. I speak the voice of most Iraqi's and this is how they feel.
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Tuesday, March 23rd 2004 - 07:08:03 PM |
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hi everyone, i have not posted in the past little bit, because there has not been much to post about, but now that the issue in Isreal has arrisn, there is much to post about, and how history will show us what will utimatly happen....
Now with this tension over an individual of power (both spiritually, and leadership) we can look back upon the 1st world war. That war was started by an assasination by a rebel group (the black hand). Could we have an opposite reaction where the strong country kills an outside symbol of power? I think so.. what will this lead to? all out war between the West, and the Arab world as many HAMAS leaders are hinting at?
I give the idea also of a coup being instigated to a further event within this area, as Israel will be cracking down upon the hundreds, if not thousands of arabs that work within the israeli state. If there is wide spread terror, this will give israel more of a motive to continue constructing its walls, in which the arab world is infuriated with. Also has this man not also constructed dozens if not scores (groups of 20) of plans to kill Israeli citizens? this man is NOT a saint. yes he has the right to fight an "invading" force, but the pen is mightier than the sword. Look at ghandi. he NEVER once fired a shot at the British "invaders" and yet within his life time he saw more rights given to the Indians than ever before.
I offer a hope for peace. At this point how can you ask for peace you may ask? Well lets look at Martin Luther King Jr. his death in essence meant more than his life. Yes Mr. Luther was a very incitefull speaker, but when he was assasinated, more people, both blacks and whites started to realize that this was not the path to be followed and great strides were taken to try and releave the preasure. unfortunatly mr Luther stood for non violence, and this palastinian man stood for violence against the Jews (pick one attack by hamas). That is the biggest and most different idea between them.
Canada, Britian, i am jsut wondering how you can state that these acts were not justified? is this the same Canada who hastily put into act the war measures act in 1970 to deal with a couple of radicals in the FLQ crisis in Quebec? how can you condemn Israel for trying to defend its-self? if Osama Bind Ladden, Slovadon Milsovich, Stalin, Hitler, any of them if they were assasinated, would that be all that different? i highly doubt it, its the side of the fence you are on. England, if i am not mistaken you made multiple attacks on IRA locations throught the years of that brutal terror.
The only country i can admire is the USA. Yes some may think that they are doing this for the vote, but are they the only ones with their eyes OPEN?? a known terrorist is now dead?! chance of saving hundreds of lives....
one last thing, and this is to the individual known as:Anti-American
Why in your ight mind are you blaming everything on the us? you know why, you are an ignorant individual who does all he is told! think about it... if it was not the us in the first place who discoverdthe oil in your region? i believe it was... And was it not the US that gave you arms to fight against a Soviet invation? i beleive it was. Did you ever notice that it is the "empowered" country who is always, and i mean ALWAYS the "badguy"? lets look at some examples shal we?
We have the anchient atheniens are bad to the mycenians persians, and spartians
we have the anchient romans are bad to the germans, british, jews
we have the monguls who were mean to chinese, korean, russian, europeans of all kinds, and every1 they basically touched
we have the catholics to the british, and german
we have the british to the indians, africans, americans, canadians
we have the germans (even before the known existance of the internment camps) to the civilized world,
we have the russians to democracy, and free peoples everwhere
AND FINALLY
we have the americans who are mean to the arabs...
do we find any kind of link here? THE FACT THAT THE EMPOWERED COUNTRY IS ALWAYS CONSIDERED THE EVIL DOER, WHILE THE REBEOUS ONE IS LOOKED AS A WINER?!
think about that in your idea of you becauming the next Osama Bin Ladden.
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Monday, March 22nd 2004 - 11:45:36 PM |
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International Relations Journal aka IR Journal is now online!
http://www12.brinkster.com/irjournal/International%20Relations.htm
Should you have any comments or concerns e-mail us!
The online journal will be updated as frequently as events occur to the date they occur!
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Monday, March 22nd 2004 - 08:54:12 AM |
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I would be dishonest if I said I didn't hate the American government. I do hate it, so really, so deeply and, yes, so rightly.
America is the tormentor of my people. It is to me, as a Muslim, what Nazi Germany was to the Jews. America is the all-powerful devil that spreads oppression and death in my country and religion.
America is the author of 53 years of suffering, death, bereavement, occupation, oppression, homelessness and victimization. It is the usurper of my people's right to human rights, democracy, civil liberties, development and a dignified life.
America is the tyrant, a global dictatorship that robs hundreds of millions of Arabs and Muslims of their right to freely elect their governments and rulers because corporate America dreads the outcome of democracy in the Muslim world.
America offers me one of two choices: Either I submissively accept perpetual enslavement and oppression or become an Osama bin Laden. The distance between being tormented by America's oppressive hegemony
and being converted or mesmerized into bin-Ladenism is shorter and smaller than many would think, including the so-called experts in Washington. In fact, I dare say that the first inevitably leads to the second in a straightforward cause-effect relationship. So, please
America, don't make me an Osama bin Laden.
It is virtually impossible for me, as indeed is the case for most Muslims, not to hate America so much. Only
infra-humans and quasi-beasts wouldn't hate their evil
tormentors and gravediggers. And America is the muslim people's ultimate tormentor and gravedigger, as well as the oppressor and killer of millions around the world.
In fact, finding an Muslim these days that doesn't have some inemity towards America would be like searching for a Jew who is infatuated with Hitler's Germany. I know Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan have recently made some sycophantic remarks about being 'allies of America'. However, it is extremely unlikely that they meant what they said.
I know that 'hate' is evil, at least a passive evil. And I,
personally, really strive not to allow my deep hate for the American government and its murderous policies to be transformed from the static form to the dynamic form. However, others, who may even hate America more than I do, will not be able to exercise as much self-control, as much suppression of their grievances, and as much 'wisdom.' I know hate can be blind and deadly. But, I also know
that 'oppression,' as the Holy Koran clearly states, 'is worse than murder' ('wal-fitnatu Ashaddu minal-qatl')I try to control my hate but I know too well that I can't be free from the effect until I am free from the cause, and the cause is America's greed, rapacity and hegemony. So please, America, don't make me an Osama bin Laden. |
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Sunday, March 21st 2004 - 10:24:29 PM |
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Here are the marks for the first post
America 10/10
France 9.5/10
Iraq 8.9/10
Russia 0/10
India 8/10
Pakistan 0/10
China 8.1/10
Canada 8.4/10
Palestine 8.8/10
Britain 8.2/10
Israel 9.3/10
Syria 75/10 |
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Thursday, March 11th 2004 - 02:17:08 PM |
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Posh Clowns |
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Canada's website is up!
http://home.ripway.com/2004-2/76385/ |
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Wednesday, March 10th 2004 - 11:40:13 PM |
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Our nation's glorious website is now up for the viewing pleasure of the international community..
http://www.geocities.com/shadowxhawk/
May there be peace and prosperity for all |
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Wednesday, March 10th 2004 - 10:16:23 PM |
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The United States of America website is up and fully functioning at http://www12.brinkster.com/saheb27
enjoy!
Regards,
USA |
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Wednesday, March 10th 2004 - 07:12:17 PM |
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THE MANDITORY POSTS HAVE BEEN MARKED! Good things to note: very straight forward, and realistic. All countries handed the posts in, all questions were answered thouroughly and with nationalistic pride. Many high marks accross the board.
Things to note for next time: Please ensure all gramar is correct. If we ask for a specific (ie. one country) do not avoid the topic by giving us general answers. Do not do any more than required, or any less (some forgot key things such as the fruit, etc.) Please make sure they are all submitted on time.
SEVERE PENALTIES (MARKS OF ZER0-AS PROMISED) HAVE BEEN ASSESED TO 2 COUNTRIES, AS THEY FAILED TO SUBMIT THE POSTS BY THE END OF THE PERIOD. EVEN THOUGH BOTH WERE LESS THAN 2 MINUTES LATE, WE HAD TO GIVE THE ZEROS TO SET EXAMPLES FOR THE CLASS.
Overall nice work to the international community.
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Wednesday, March 10th 2004 - 04:21:59 PM |
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We'd just like to inform the international community that our website is up...thank you...
http://groups.msn.com/Iraq-MarkvilleS-S |
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Tuesday, March 9th 2004 - 10:55:56 PM |
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To the "opppressed" people,
I will not deny that certain events that have taken place were dealt with hastely and based solely on retribution and retaliation. However, as the saying goes, it takes two to tango, it takes two parties to create a problem. You seem to find it extremely easy to place all the middle-eastern conflicts on Israel's shoulders, yet, you are adding as much, if not more, fuel to the fire.
I have made it clear that I am willing to die for my country and its movement towards peace, but all that has been seen from these groups is disagreement and violence. You cannot expect the Israeli government to sit idly by watching their people die, when the cause of these deathsis the anti-peace Intifadas.
The people speak of Israel driving their children into radical groups, but there is always a final choice between pece and terror, unfortunately they willingly choose terror. No one has forced these people to strap explosives to themseleves in order to kill innocent Israelis and ,often times, innocent Palestinians.
Unlike these Palestiniangroups, we are willing to sit down at a table and discuss the issues instead of having to prove our cause through acts of terror, or your Intifadas. You speak of peace, yet, the Intifada in which you make your reference go against the very foudnation of peace itself. Also, it has been stated before that the one responsible fo rthe second Intifada was Arafat.
I can assure that Israel is not forcing the people into "oppression", but the people are forcing themseleves due to their radical views agaisnt peace. I choose to use the word oppression loosely because when referring to oppression, one must realize that the people who are truly being oppressed during this conflict, are the citizens of Israel who wish to one day achieve peace.
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Tuesday, March 9th 2004 - 10:29:16 AM |
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Foes:
“U.S. seems to be the biggest roadblock to peace. They failed to recognize communist China as a political figurehead. As shown in history, and suggested by a prominent Republican foreign policy expert that they might have been able to avoid war in Vietnam if they hadn’t misread China’s actions as an attempt to control the Vietnam’s communist (China and Vietnam proved to be mortal enemies).”
Representatives of China, you are sadly mistaken in propagating hatred. The United States has continued to acknowledge you as a political figurehead. However, if you are too focused on issues that took place 40 years ago, then that is your prerogative. Perhaps, you should focus more towards our current relationship rather than loathing in historical disputes. I think it would be wise for you to take a glance at your Embassy press releases, issued by the Embassy of the Peoples Republic of China in the United States of America stating,
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zmgx/t41062.htm
“US President George W. Bush said In Washington D.C on Nov.12 that the Sino-US cooperation is of vital importance to the two countries and the world as well, according to officials from the Chinese Embassy.
He said that the United States is willing to work with China to raise the bilateral relationship to a new level.
Bush made the remarks during a meeting with former Chinese vice premier Qian Qichen, who came to the United States to take part in the Sino-US conference held in the Texas A&M University on Nov. 5-8.
The US president said his administration and he himself have attached great importance to the Sino-US relationship and he is glad to see the progress made in the bilateral relationship over the past years.
Qian said that a good relationship between China and the United States is in the interest of the two peoples and the world as a whole.
Both China and the United States share extensive interests and have broad room for cooperation, he said, adding that the constructive relationship of cooperation between the two countries will be pushed forward through increased dialogue and exchanges, and the expansion of cooperation in various fields.”
It is evident that America is taking proficient steps to becoming a stronger ally with China, however if your sentiments incorrectly portray us as an obstacle to peace then should we re-evaluate our economic relationship.
The United States of America is seen as the leader in the world, and when multinational and international agencies fail to provide common ground, the United States of America is approached for peaceful and successful dialogues. Unfortunately some countries have decide to create a system of jealousy by denouncing the effectiveness of American cooperation in issues that affect the world. Those that question the role of The United States of America question the need for peace.
We, the United States of America do not take kindly to insults from countries that we both support and promote through difficult times.
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 10:55:01 PM |
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Mr Sharon, perhaps you have forgotten how this Intifada started? Prehaps you have forgotten WHO or WHAT event provoked this second intifada?
Perhaps if you stop giving our sons and daughter the reason to join Hamas and other radical groups, the violence might stop!!
And we are sure that Mr Arafat can do more in convincing our sons and daughters that Israel has the right to exist, and we must respect their sovereignty!!
Both of you must take one step back, or this cycle of violence will never end...
Remember that no matter what you politicians come up with, it is us, the people, that suffers or benefits from the consequence...
We hope that this round of diplomacy will bring us some constructive and positive result, and achieve whatever previous negociations has failed to achieve...
Good luck to all diplomates tomorrow, you are our hope.
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 10:42:14 PM |
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Ten years. Ten years is a long time in which many things can and have happened. The world has seen wars begin and end within 10 years, it has seen new national leaders, and it has seen the assassination of political figures. The world can go through drastic changes within that time, and so can its people. Ten years ago, Mr. Arafat, is when you won the Nobel Peace Price. That year was regarded by many as one of the lowest points in Nobel Prize history.
You won the Nobel Prize for cosigning the Oslo accord which would end the violence from Palestine; however, we did not see the hostile actions of the Palestinians stop. The basis for our government to persuade the public to accept the Oslo peace agreement was the government’s contention that you would be able to handle terror better than we Israeli’s could by using a brutality that works in order to stop Hamas and Islamic Jihad. It became quite clear to the world that this was a failure. You later stated that you had no control over the people’s violent actions or the specific groups that supported violence against Israel. If this was the case then did you just sign the Oslo accord to masquerade your real agenda? Although I doubt that you have no control over the people and their actions, let us assume for a moment that this is true. Mr. Arafat if these statements are true and you do not control the people’s actions, then how can you consider yourself a leader of Palestine. Who are you to even discuss peace on behalf of the people if you don’t even have control over the Palestinian public? Are you even the right person for us to direct our negotiations of peace? Maybe we should take our negotiations to someone who can control the people.
You also accuse me of killing innocent civilians, well since we’re referring to issues of the past then you will surely remember that I told my soldiers to avoid hurting civilians at all costs. It also displeases me that you are against our fight against terrorism and only further goes to prove that you winning the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994 never truly altered the roots of your ideologies.
Mr. Arafat if you want to begin talking about one past event then by all means go ahead but I must make it clear that what Israel is focusing on is the present and future movements towards peace.
Sincerely,
Ariel Sharon
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 09:10:09 PM |
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Mr Sharon,
You say that peace in not on my political agenda. Interestingly enough, I have a Nobel Peace Prize, while you are known as a criminal by many, including your own people. Therefore the question shouldn’t be if peace is on my agenda, but whether or not it’s on yours. If killing innocent civilians is what you call peace, then I guess obviously it is.
- Yasser Arafat
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 07:27:34 PM |
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Pakistanis are people who had fought for freedom from oppression, and won the battle. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan intends to demonstrate a tolerant, cooperative and goal-oriented attitude throughout this simulation. World peace is what we desire most, and we firmly believe that if we try to understand the reasons as to why countries take the actions they do, and then endure the effects of the action, we will benefit significantly. We plan to practice this so that we can make strong allies and bonds and advance the main objective of achieving peace and security for the world.
As we are a nation in progress, our top three goals focus on stabilizing our country, and its reputation in the international globe. We plan to do this by:
· Reconciliation of the Kashmir issue with India
· Focusing and augmenting The Organization of Islamic Countries (OIC).
· Enhancing the Pakistan economy, and depleting poverty from the country.
All countries play a momentous role in international politics, and we will be able to see this throughout the simulation. Our strongest ally would have to be the United States of America, as after September 11th, 2001, Pakistan and the United States have been working hand-in-hand to succeed in the War on Terrorism.
India, the country that had oppressed the Muslims living in it, tyrannizing them to the extent that they had to separate and make an independent state of their own, would be Pakistan’s prevailing roadblock. The issue of Kashmir being a predominantly Muslim state, which was supposed to be part of Pakistan in the 1947 separation war, is the barricade in Pakistan.
The best approach to international peace and cooperation is by demonstrating our attitude of being tolerant towards all nations regardless of any differences. Building allies, and remaining loyal to these allies despite any disparities would help to make the international world a better place for all human beings.
Pakistan is a very defensive country with strong disbeliefs in terrorism. We use aggressive means to deplete Islamic extremism, and promote the peace and stability Islam dictates.
--President Pervez Musharraf &
Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 02:56:18 PM |
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Russia
Our country’s attitude throughout the IR simulation:
The Republic or Russian will be entering this Simulation with a neutral stature. We will attempt at helping to resolve these tense times with the hope of civil obedient conduct between the states. We demand the mutual commitment from every country at this “conference” to ensure that they will all help to their best of their knowledge without enticing any pre-judgmental ignorant conflict. We are the proud nations that govern this earth, now let us unite and seize the opportunity in discontinuing the dire way in which these two states have been promoting their wishes.
Goals/Priorities:
Our main goals as a republic are to attain a unified reconciliation between these two states, as well as hopefully building new alliances and putting to rest the wrongdoings of yesteryear.
Who do we plan to work with?:
Undisclosed.
Biggest roadblock on the road to achieving these goals:
We hope that there will be no roadblocks on the road to realizing our goals, but if we were to have to predict a country that would perhaps threaten these ideals, well then, let me just say, I hope the United states do not conjure up a disagreement.
What is the best approach to peace and cooperation?:
The best approach would have to be of course patience with other states ideals, because if there is any offense taken by any countries, this could create conflict.
What is our countries specific diplomatic strategy? :
Our strategy is think past our enemies, by first observing, and then rationalizing our situations.
~Our country is a Orange~
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 02:56:10 PM |
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Attitude
For our attitude, we plan to improve our citizen’s life quality and to make pace for middle-east countries. We would like to help other middle-east countries. Also, out attitude to Terrorism is against terrorism. We would like to against the international terrorism as possible. We do support military for our own country.
Priorities/Goals
1. Improving our economic growth and citizen’s life quality are our most important goal for our country.
2. Creating pace and helping other countries is our secondary goal.
3. Finally, we support military for our own country’s safety and the against globe terrorism.
Biggest Partner: Iraq---due the geography reason
Biggest Adversary: USA---the real globe terrorism
International Approach
Clearly understand which countries are friends and emery. Never take action before others do so. Using peaceful ways to overcome nation problem. We believe economic comes first.
Diplomatic strategy/ philosophy
Pace is important, but military is a way to solve problem. Military is acceptable to overcome serious problem. In reality, economic is a good way to solve nation problem.
A fruit, or vegetable
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 02:54:12 PM |
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Israel is entering the situation with an attitude of honesty and willingness to compromise in order to finally attain peace.
Our top three goals are:
- Security of the state of Israel and its people
- Peace and an end to violence between Palestine and Israel
- The creation of a Palestinian State
We would love to state that the country we will work with the most during this time full of conflict is Palestine. However, due to their unreasonable ideologies and their threat to the security of the Israeli people through numerous acts of violence, it leaves us no choice but to, in best interest of our nation and its people, align ourselves with the United States of America.
Based on earlier statements it is obvious that Palestine will be the biggest roadblock in achieving our goals. We have realized Palestine is not prepared for peace on reasonable terms and are only going to slow down the process by continual acts of violence against our military and our civilians. Despite Israeli attempts to promote/create peace between our parties, through allowing the establishment of a Palestinian state, Palestine has shown that they are unwilling to compromise.
The ideal approach to international peace and cooperation is compromise. All countries should, ideally, enter peace negotiations ready and willing to give a little in the name of peace!
As previously mentioned, our country’s diplomatic strategy is one of honesty and integrity. We will not force peace upon the region. However, if peace cannot be attained by any other means, reasonable force will be used. Although this may be taken as a hostile statement, we are in no way trying to promote conflict.
Not only is the avocado one of our exports it is also a great representation of Israel. The rough protective skin can be seen as our military willing to do whatever it takes in order to protect the people. The flesh is a representation of the Israeli people backed by strong core, which can be seen as our governing body. The seed within this core or government symbolizes our attitude towards peace, because without the seed, the fruit would not exist.
-- Ariel Sharon
-- Silvan Shalom
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 02:54:07 PM |
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Mandatory Post #1
Our attitudes will be directly influenced by the situation that we find ourselves in. As Palestine is yet to be recognized as a country, we understand that passivity is the only way that peace will be salvaged between the Palestinians and Israelis. However, we will not subdue to countries whose objectives stray for the final goal of this simulation, which is peace.
It is rather evident that peace is the major task at hand for every country regardless of their position in global politics. Peace is our primary goal throughout the simulation and we WILL end the war between Palestinian and Israelis that has been going on for the past 53 years.
Our second goal that we will strive to accomplish is to have Palestine recognized as an official country. We know that this will be, without a doubt, an extremely strenuous task, but we also believe that it's what the Palestinian people deserve, and will settle for nothing less.
Finally, our third goal is to be in complete control of Palestinian land, with our own government, laws, economy and military. We understand that this goal will not be achievable without the help of major players in our global economy and that the change will not occur instantaneously, but rather over a period of 10 years or so.
Our biggest roadblock is Israel. It’s the Israelites that occupy what was once Palestinian land and it’s the Israelites that we have been at war with for over half a century. It’s a given that we will not be able to regain all of Holy Palestine, but we believe that, with the cooperation of both governments, both the Palestinians and the Israelites can be reasonably satisfied.
Although we will try and cooperate with as many countries as possible to achieve peace, we believe that China and the United States of America will be the two countries that we will work the most with. As the hegemonic force of the world, the United States has an enormous influence on global issues; it would be completely counterproductive to alienate the United States. We will work with China because they have supported the Palestinian cause numerous times and they can be of great value further down the road.
As Palestine, we believe that the only way that we go negotiate with our enemies (being the Israel and their ally the United States), is by renouncing terrorism and by recognizing Israel as a country. Aggressiveness will not help out our cause, passivity and the willingness to cooperate is our best ally.
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 02:53:52 PM |
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Our apologies for the misunderstanding which may be stemming from our last post. We, of course, meant that our leaders do not frequently enjoy the quality tastes of coconuts and cucumbers, so by representing them, we believe our leaders may think to eat them more and maintain a healthy diet. |
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 02:17:36 PM |
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MANDATORY POSTING #1
Canada plans to represent a peaceful front throughout the entire simulation. We are prepared to have our peace force available for any situation, which arises during the simulation. We want to act as a mediator instead or arbitrator. Although we are allies with the US and offer them support we are not willing to condone actions taken with the intent of purposeful conflict against less industrialized or socially developed nations.
TOP 3 GOALS/PRIORITIES
- Peacekeeping (offering a natural position during warfare)
- International relations (Including trade/trade missions)
- To define Canadian culture.
Canada plans to work closely with the United States during the simulation. As our allies in military support and our largest trade partner this allows and will continue to allow us to flourish economically and socially. Though the United States is our allie they are also a roadblock; building an alliance will allow us to work with them instead of against them. Since they play such a large role within world affairs and the control they have economically, providing foreign aid and having the largest military front. They are our largest road block because as the leading power in the world they have an obligation to be involved in international conflict and affairs which in essence almost always conflicts with Canadian peace keeping ideals. Also our close relationship with them often prevents us from developing our own separate sense of Canadian nationalism and Canada is often brought into American ideals because of our close relationship with them.
Canada's specific diplomacy strategy is to cling closely to the United States and influence their strategies and actions by showing them peace is a better solution rather than rushing into war. Having peaceful relations with both sides if conflict allows issues to be resolved with fewer casualties and for international relations to stay intact. We are a passive aggressive country; we have a very peaceful demeanor but provide influence to nations (ie. The US) politically who respect our actions and past history in relation to war and global events.
Our country would be a potato. We are solid and have good roots and offer nourishment to all. We never provide conflict but are accessible and peaceful to all and are not biased to whom may consume and benefit from our ideals.
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 02:10:45 PM |
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The People’s Republic of China
Subject: Mandatory post #1
Attitude:
China plans on pertaining a peaceful development through out this simulation.
Goals:
In addressing the three priorities, they should be achieved by the Chinese government with great efforts. First, it is of primary concern that the Israel/Palestine conflict be resolved as soon as possible. This should be done through political negotiations, without a “separation wall” as that will only further aggravate distrust. The Middle East is a region of flourishing development, and shall not be ostracized but recognized. Secondly, China will continue to focus on the unification of Taiwan and Hong Kong, without international interference. It should be recognized that China has the strength and intelligence to make its own decisions regarding their national affairs. Lastly, we shall maintain our recognition and support from the global community in terms of economic, political, technological, scientific and military advancement, while at once keep in tact the cultural foundation of China.
Ally:
We support Palestine, and shall ensure the safety of their citizens and the restoration of their homeland. China admires their courage and patriotism, fighting for their freedom and rights. As well, China shall acknowledge and support any nation who respects our nation, regardless of racial and political differences.
Foes:
U.S. seems to be the biggest roadblock to peace. They failed to recognize communist China as a political figurehead. As shown in history, and suggested by a prominent Republican foreign policy expert that they might have been able to avoid war in Vietnam if they hadn’t misread China’s actions as an attempt to control the Vietnam’s communist (China and Vietnam proved to be mortal enemies).
International Peace Organization:
We condemn bombings in Jerusalem and acts of terrorism. China will continue the exchange high-level visits, expand economic and trade administrations and strengthen cooperation in combating cross-border crime and drug trafficking.
Diplomatic Strategy:
China is a strong supporter of multilateralism. We believe it is an effective way to deal with common challenges facing humanity. It is consistent with the spirit and goals of the United Nations Charter; the world cannot be dictated by one country or a group of countries, cooperation is necessary.
Fruit:
China would be a semi-raw banana. We are yellow and hard.
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 02:09:45 PM |
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Update: the real reason for choosing 2 coconuts and a cucumber to represent our country, is because it makes up for what our leaders/people lack. Thank you. |
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 02:09:31 PM |
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What type of attitude does your country plan to show throughout the IR Simulation?
Our attitude, as a country both broken and struggling to find its own identity, will focus on an outlook based on being positive and hopeful for a swift, peaceful end to all the conflict raging within the Middle East. Though we ourselves are in great need of stability, as a people, the Iraqis are ready for an era of peace and solidity. We will try not to be difficult in our demands, yet we do wish to add that many times have we been deceived and betrayed by those who perceived themselves to be benefactors of the global community. Out attitude, thus, will rely on us trying to piece together our turbulent past and hoping for a future in which our role will become one of a stable, peaceful community.
As a country, what are your top 3 goals/priorities?
1. Our main goal is to halt the escalating chaos within our country and to be given the chance to rule ourselves once again. We seek to unite the different factions within our country and give them and their offspring the chance to enjoy life without living in constant fear for their lives.
2. Our second goal is to develop a stronger unification between the countries of the Middle East. It is our duty as Arabs and Muslims to support our brothers living in abysmal conditions due to the tyranny of unwanted occupiers.
3. Our third goal is to secure our oil reserves for the people of Iraq, and not anyone else…
Who do you plan to work with the most during this simulation (one country)?
We plan to co-operate most with Syria and the other Arab countries within the Middle East. As our goals have stated above, it is imperative for us to untie and help our defenceless brethren. We will also seek friendly relations with countries seeking to invest in Iraq, and see the potential within our country, and it’s people.
Who do you see as the biggest road block (one country) for achieving your goals?
The biggest roadblock to our goals is probably the stubborn attitudes of an insecure nation lying to the west of our great land. This country and the Zionist lobby which controls it, does not realise that if it to become an international peacekeeper, it must keep an unbiased attitude towards the world. We also recommend it not invade other countries without International consent and stay lingering longer than its needs to.
What is the best approach to international peace and cooperation?
The approach should be clear and level headed. All previous biases and hatreds should be set aside and everyone must consent to realising that not everyone can get what they want all the time. To achieve peace, we must learn to accept the differences and unite them to form similarities. We must approach the subject calmly and with a cool mind frame. That is the first step. If we can get past our internal biases, we can get past minor issues to focus on the main ones.
What is your country's specific diplomatic strategy/ philosophy (ie. aggressive, passive, etc.)?
Iraq beleives that essentially each country has a goal to achieve. The only way for a country to achieve its goals are to co-operate with other countries. Iraq beleives in co-operation and mutual respect. Our strategy during this simulation will be to raise issues in the Middle East which need to be swiftly solved. We are open to co-operation on certain grounds, yet we also maintain our dignity and will not jeapordise the safety of Iraq and its citizens.
If your country was a fruit, or vegetable, what would it be and why?
Iraq would be a date, the sweet fruit which grows in abundance all throughout the Middle East. It is a hardy fruit, which can withstand the heat and pressure which comes with living in the harsh conditions of the Middle East. It is a survivor, a fruit growing in plenty where other fruits have failed. No matter what the weather, the date lives on, providing the people of Iraq with food and nourishment. Iraqis eat the date to gain strength, just as we will give strength to our people to help them come out of the conditions they live in. |
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What type of attitude does your country plan to show throughout the IR Simulation?
Our attitude, as a country both broken and struggling to find its own identity, will focus on an outlook based on being positive and hopeful for a swift, peaceful end to all the conflict raging within the Middle East. Though we ourselves are in great need of stability, as a people, the Iraqis are ready for an era of peace and solidity. We will try not to be difficult in our demands, yet we do wish to add that many times have we been deceived and betrayed by those who perceived themselves to be benefactors of the global community. Out attitude, thus, will rely on us trying to piece together our turbulent past and hoping for a future in which our role will become one of a stable, peaceful community.
As a country, what are your top 3 goals/priorities?
1. Our main goal is to halt the escalating chaos within our country and to be given the chance to rule ourselves once again. We seek to unite the different factions within our country and give them and their offspring the chance to enjoy life without living in constant fear for their lives.
2. Our second goal is to develop a stronger unification between the countries of the Middle East. It is our duty as Arabs and Muslims to support our brothers living in abysmal conditions due to the tyranny of unwanted occupiers.
3. Our third goal is to secure our oil reserves for the people of Iraq, and not anyone else…
Who do you plan to work with the most during this simulation (one country)?
We plan to co-operate most with Syria and the other Arab countries within the Middle East. As our goals have stated above, it is imperative for us to untie and help our defenceless brethren. We will also seek friendly relations with countries seeking to invest in Iraq, and see the potential within our country, and it’s people.
Who do you see as the biggest road block (one country) for achieving your goals?
The biggest roadblock to our goals is probably the stubborn attitudes of an insecure nation lying to the west of our great land. This country and the Zionist lobby which controls it, does not realise that if it to become an international peacekeeper, it must keep an unbiased attitude towards the world. We also recommend it not invade other countries without International consent and stay lingering longer than its needs to.
What is the best approach to international peace and cooperation?
The approach should be clear and level headed. All previous biases and hatreds should be set aside and everyone must consent to realising that not everyone can get what they want all the time. To achieve peace, we must learn to accept the differences and unite them to form similarities. We must approach the subject calmly and with a cool mind frame. That is the first step. If we can get past our internal biases, we can get past minor issues to focus on the main ones.
What is your country's specific diplomatic strategy/ philosophy (ie. aggressive, passive, etc.)?
Iraq beleives that essentially each country has a goal to achieve. The only way for a country to achieve its goals are to co-operate with other countries. Iraq beleives in co-operation and mutual respect. Our strategy during this simulation will be to raise issues in the Middle East which need to be swiftly solved. We are open to co-operation on certain grounds, yet we also maintain our dignity and will not jeapordise the safety of Iraq and its citizens.
If your country was a fruit, or vegetable, what would it be and why?
Iraq would be a date, the sweet fruit which grows in abundance all throughout the Middle East. It is a hardy fruit, which can withstand the heat and pressure which comes with living in the harsh conditions of the Middle East. It is a survivor, a fruit growing in plenty where other fruits have failed. No matter what the weather, the date lives on, providing the people of Iraq with food and nourishment. Iraqis eat the date to gain strength, just as we will give strength to our people to help them come out of the conditions they live in. |
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There is one addition we would like to make to our last post. We would like to mention that we also chose the onion because it stinks, just like the majority of our people. |
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 01:58:26 PM |
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Mandatory Posting #1
As a country, what are your top three goals/priorities?
Great Britain's top three goals/priorities are:
* achieving the common good of all nations involved in this simulation
* ensuring that the basic needs (e.g. food, water, clothing) of civilians are met
* maintaining a peaceful outlook, but retaliating appropriately when attacked
Who do you plan on working with most during this simulation (one country)?
We plan to cooperate with all countries who have the goal of achiving a common good. At this very early point in the simulation, it is hard to say which country in particular.
Who do you see as the greatest roadblock to achieving your goals (one country)?
Currently, we do not perceive anyone one country to be a roadblock to achieving our goals, but in theory, the country who's goals are the polar opposite of our goals would be our biggest roadblock.
What is the best approach to international peace and cooperation?
The best approach to international peace and cooperation is the diplomatic discussion of issues, during which every nation involved will present their respective interests and concerns, and all nations will contribute to a solution that will lead to a common good.
What is the best approach to international peace and cooperation?
Our country believes in realistic sense of equality. We intend on communincating as well as negotiating with all who are open to doing so. We plan to keep peace by acknowledging the perspectives of all those involved in today's interantional current affairs. This is to say that we will attempt to listen to everyone with the goal of doing what is in our power to help others. This strategy of listening and acting efficently also embodies cooperativeness.
What is your country's specific diplomatic strategy/ philosophy (ie. agressive, passive, etc.)?
We do not intend to be passive in an idealistic sense, naively thinking that every other counrty has our best interest at haeart. Nor do we intend to attack hard and fast without considering every sensible option. Great Britain plans on taking that middle ground: not passive but not overly aggressive either. Our diplomacy strategies encompass both realsim as well as idealism.
If your country was a fruit, or vegetable, what would it be and why?
If Great Britan was a fruit it would be an apple. The reason being, as the old adage states: 'an apple a day will keep the doctor away,' In this sense, constant communicaton and negotiation with our country will maintain a peaceful existence for all. While on the other hand, in the Biblcal sense, tasting of the 'wrong' apple could do serious damage. This is to say, disagreement or negative interaction with Great Britain could pose a threat for those not carfelul. |
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 01:55:42 PM |
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Our country plans to show an attitude of cooperation, a collaboration of ideas with the international community and an aggressive approach to situations that threaten the safety and security of citizens and people during the Israel and Palestine conflict. As a country our top goals and priorities that must be settled to ensure peace in the Middle East are:
1.To emphasize that peace and security for both parties can be achieved through negotiation
2.The end of excessive occupation of Palestinian lands by Israeli settlers
3.Precise border delineations
4.The discussion of the future of Jerusalem and its holy places and the troubling question of Palestinian refugees
5.To end key obstacles of Israel’s insistence on colonizing Gaza and the West Bank
6.To reach an agreement that would include all Arab nations to recognize Israel’s rights to live in peace and to take action to prevent further violence by Palestinian groups.
The country we plan to work with most is Britain because we believe that this country will show a commitment to peace and security for both Israeli and Palestinian groups. Also, this country holds a positive attitude towards the resolution of the Middle East conflict that would prevent terrorist activity and threats. Britain is also apart of the European Union along with France.
However, we believe that the biggest roadblock is the United State from preventing us from achieving our goals because this country may be focused on their own agendas and goals before discussing it with the international community and may become a threat in resolving the conflict that now exists within the Middle East.
The best approach to international peace and cooperation is to understand the position of each country and to negotiate terms of agreement based on fair and objective means. Our country believes that conflicts can be resolved through collaboration of ideas and the discussion of ideas through the international community and through alliances with countries with similar belief, values and ideas.
Our country’s specific diplomatic strategy/ philosophy is to support the international community through their efforts of finding a policy and resolution to the Middle East conflict. We believe that in order achieve success all participating countries should be able to give input towards the Israel and Palestine disagreement through diplomacy and compromise. However, our country acknowledges that the use of military force is sometimes necessary in solving problems. Yet, we believe that the use of military force should only be permitted when all other forms of negotiation has failed. Overall, our country’s philosophy toward resolving the Middle East situation is to solve the conflict through negotiation, diplomacy and the use of military force when necessary.
If our country was a fruit or vegetable we would be an onion because of its various layers and strong flavour. The layers represent our countries ability to deal with problems and situations with various resources at our disposal. An onion also comes in many varieties which is similar to the description of our country as an extremely multicultural society. Onions can also be used in soups, stews and combinations with vegetables and meats which are synonymous with our country because France can compliment many things such as compromising on different ideas, beliefs and values to meet the standards of all its people and citizens. Therefore, France can be compared to an onion because of its ability to adapt and compliment many aspects of the world. France is considered a multicultural society because it citizens consist of Celtic, Latin, Slavic, North African, Indo- Chinese, and Basque origins. Finally, an onion has a strong defense mechanism which causes a person to tear up, and this can be compared to France’s ability to use its military force to ensure peace and security. It can also represent the country’s ability to stand up for its beliefs, for example, disagreeing with the United States on starting a war with Iraq.
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 01:47:56 PM |
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Mandatory Posting 1
Attitude
India is a country of peace and prosperity. Throughout this IR simulation we intend to have an open and non confrontational attitude. We strongly believe the World is in dire need of resolution and development, and we shall ensure that India will help the international community reach these two goals. We expect a number of conflicts and problems, but we shall strive for peace against adversity. We will always remember that we are not alone; we are a part of the bigger community whose needs are as important as our own.
Priorities
1- Resolve territorial issue with Pakistan
2- Increase foreign investment in India
3- Bring a complete end to internal religious conflicts
Biggest Partner
The United States – Our biggest ally
Biggest Adversary
Pakistan – Country fighting for control over Kashmir
International Approach
We believe that the best approach to international peace and co-operation is a maintain alliances and collectively work towards a common goal. If every country has set out totally different objectives it is more than likely that at some point they will collide and conflict will arise. India strives for internal prosperity and world peace. To achieve the previously stated goals we must be unbiased and non secular. Nationalism is an important aspect of a Countries identity but it cannot be a dictator in foreign policy. We intend to be fair to all other countries, respect their opinions and requests but ultimately do what’s best for our Nation and our Interests while still meeting the needs of the rest of the world.
Diplomatic strategy/ philosophy
Democratically passive: We approach all aspects of politics democratically and reasonably.
Fruit/Vegetarian
The Mango is the National fruit on India. We would be a Mango because it is a fruit full in many necessary vitamins and it provides sustenance for millions of our people. We, the Indian government want to provide for our people like the Mango does.
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 02:11:21 AM |
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Mandatory Post # 1:
The attitude our country plans to show throughout this simulation is a passive aggressive one. By this, we mean neither to be overly passive, nor overly aggressive. Our attitude cannot be encompassed by one term, because each situation must be handled differently. For instance, if a nation is willing to peacefully seek out negotiation with us, it is our belief that a passive stance will help the negotiations through. However, if things turn awry, or if a nation tries to aggresively oppose us, we will not hesitate to utilize an agressive stance to protect and serve our people.
The United States has three main goals, all of which will be tenuous to achieve, but must be aimed for nonetheless. The first, and most difficult, is to bring an end to the Israel/Palestine conflict. Obviously, this conflict will not be solved overnight. Realistically, resolving this conflict completely will take years. However, the United States has dedicated itself to help bring peace as best we can to this area of the world, because the atrocities which are experienced every day by residents of the area are events which nobody should have to suffer through.
The second goal is establishing a government in Iraq, and bringing peace to that area as well before our withdrawal later in this year. Again, this is quite an arduous task, but one which must be completed.
Our last goal, and possibly the most difficult at all, is maintaining homeland security, and protecting our own forces who our spread out all over the world. As much as we strive to assist the betterment of nations all around the world, we must still maintain our own nation, or else we will falter, and in this, we will not be able to help anybody, including ourselves. Therefore, to be able to complete any other goals, this goal must be achieved.
Which country do we plan on working most with during the simulation? Well, it is our belief that if we wish to establish worldwide peace, we cannot concentrate all of our effort and resources on one nation. Instead, we must spread them out in order to bring aid to any place of need. It would be an injustice to name any one specific country, as our collaborative efforts spread all around the world, and we do not consider any one nation better than every single other.
The nation which will most likely prove to be the biggest road block would be Iraq. This is not meant as a slight against the Iraqi people, only a certain group of individuals who insist on worsening the situation for everyone. As has already been witnessed, establishing a government and bringing peace to this state has been much harder than many imagined, and it does not seem as though it is going to become much simpler in the near future. For this reason, it is our belief that Iraq will prove to be the nation which will cause us the most problems during this simulation.
The best approach to international peace is by utilizing our passive aggresive stance to its full degree. By this, I mean push our passive advances to the fullest, but if they fail, aggresive measures may have to be taken. "The ends justify the means". If any one nation is too stubborn to passively help attain peace, means of force may have to be taken. However, force can be put into affect without fighting. Economic force is a factor which many people discard, yet it is a card which can be played if need be. The United States does not which to have to utilize such measures on any nation, but we will not hesitate to do so if the need arises.
Our country's diplomatic strategy is, as was already outlined in our first response, a passive aggressive one.
Our country cannot be characterized by a single fruit or vegetable. The best way to represent our country would be with two coconuts and a cucumber. The two coconuts represent our rock-solid economy, and our perfectly rounded system of government. The cucumber is our immense driving force... otherwise known as the military.
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Monday, March 8th 2004 - 01:11:49 AM |
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Before addressing the Palestinian representatives, I must first discuss the events that took place on March 6th. Early Saturday Palestinian militants infiltrated the Israeli side of the Erez industrial area. One militant, driving a jeep disguised as an Israeli military vehicle, moved into the area between northern Gaza and Israel. At this point the militant opened fire on Israeli soldiers. Following this action, a second militant driving a jeep detonated his vehicle which in turn destroyed a Palestinian guard post killing several security officers. It is known, and has been announced that the groups that coordinated this attack were Hamas and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades.
Mr. Arafat you state that your renounce terrorism yet, is the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades not the military wing of your Fatah movement? Are you not in fact contradicting your statement of renouncing terrorism when at the same time you are the one funding these militants and the Fatah movement? I would be very pleased if I received a response to this because as of now it seems quite clear peace is not on your agenda.
However, if you do truly renounce terrorism and are trying to promote peace then you will understand that our raids conducted earlier today were to pinpoint a terrorist infrastructure. It is unfortunate that some civilians died but as stated earlier by Batsheva Genut our foreign ministry spokeswoman, the government of Israel feels empathy and sympathy for those Palestinians and we hope that in the future terrorist will stop using civilians as human shields. And though you may say that is a preposterous allegation, we have seen already how much the Palestinian terrorist groups care for their own people; a prime example of this being during the terrorist attacks on the 6th where several of your own officers were killed.
Furthermore, you state that it is Israel’s duty to obtain peace. Well I’m sorry Mr. Arafat but we believe that peace is not the duty of one party, but something that can only be achieved through the collaboration of both our governments.
Sincerely,
Ariel Sharon
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Sunday, March 7th 2004 - 08:14:27 PM |
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To the representatives of Israel: today’s Israeli incursion of the Gaza Strip was not only irrational, but completely inefficient, irresponsible and extremely counterproductive. I will say this once again, as chairman of the PLO, I renounce all forms of terrorist attacks towards the Israeli people, however, I can assure you that today’s attack will only intensify terrorism and set back present and future peace efforts. It is ISRAEL’S duty to obtain peace, and I am sorry to say that peace will not be obtainable until the Palestinian people have a country to call their own.
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Sunday, March 7th 2004 - 04:20:15 PM |
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CHINA---Red_Dragon [e] |
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In light of the conflicts in the nation of Israel, China is taking its role as a participant in international affairs. Not to support the violent acts of terrorism, but they do hold certain suppressed truths. We shall, with peaceful means, acknowledge the underlying reasons for their doings. |
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Sunday, March 7th 2004 - 01:55:20 PM |
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USA [e] |
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To the representatives of India:
My presidential speech regarding the situation has been given. In future, I would appreciate your patience on such serious issues, as rashness will only lead to bad decision-making.
-Dubya |
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Thursday, March 4th 2004 - 11:29:38 PM |
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Well it would seem I have several issues to address. Firstly, the several comments from India. The attack which occured several days ago was a terrible atrocity, but sometimes, these things happen. It is not because the United States does not care for the people, but no matter how much devotion is given, sometimes these things happen, even on our own soil. Also, if you're going to raise an issue, please do so logically. We, as the United States, did not "literally" let the attacks happen, as that would mean we personally allowed the attacks to pass through with full knowledge. That is a complete untruth. Myself as well as my entire staff is hard at work trying to rectify this situation and make sure it does not happen again, but Iraq is a nation torn apart by interior strife, and one must understand that it will not be fixed overnight.
As for your statement "if the Amercians cannot protect the iraqi's, they should get out and let the iraqi's protect themselves," I find that completely ludicrous. Before we stepped in, were the Iraqi people doing much better? Can you step up and tell me that before the United States entered Iraq, there were no incidents such as this occuring? No, you cannot, because in fact, these incidents have been occuring for years. The United States' presence has not caused them, but neither will it make them disappear immediately. These things take time. Unfortunately, it would seem other players in the global community expect overnight success, which is not a possibility in this situation.
Continuing on, who are YOU to decide whether or not our occupation is still needed in the country of Iraq? With all due respect, until you understand the inner complexities of the situation, I believe it would be wise for you not to get involved. As well, never, at any point, did the United States claim to be the saver of all. Never has it been said that we believe to be able to solve every single person's problem. We try our best, but nonetheless, such a task is a literal impossibility.
Now to your most interesting statement. Where we the coalition forces when this event happened? Well, did the thought ever occur to you that there are thousands of places around the country where this scenario could have happened? As much as we would love to have a full contingent placed on every street corner, it just cannot be done. We are on a foreign soil, and these "soldiers" use cowardly tactics which are almost indefensable. It is easy to blind yourself with the ignorance that every decision the United States make is wrong, but if you remove your blinders, you will see that we are doing our absolute best to protect the Iraqi people.
As well, if we removed our forces because of "escalating tensions", what kind of nation would we be? As the saying goes, "when the going gets tough, the tough get going." Our forces are in there to help the Iraqi people, and just because the job is getting harder by the day does not mean we our simply going to give up and pull out. That is not the way to do things. Running from a problem does not solve it, it merely holds it off until a later date. So, to your suggestion of pulling our troops, I ask you to please look further into the issue before commenting on it.
To the representative of Iraq: I hardly find it fair to place blame of the acceleration of other nation's nuclear programs on the shoulders of our country. Their rapid acceleration was by their own doing, which, even if on the off chance, was caused by the United States liberation of Iraq, was merely speeding up an inevitability. The problem was going to arise at some point or another, the fact it has arosen now instead of later in inconsequential. You, as well as the representatives of India, need to recognize the fact that just because an action of the United States caused an event to happen that was an inevitability anyways, does not mean that it is their fault. It can be argued that the United Kingdom's appeasement to Germany before WWII allowed Adolf Hitler to assimilate enough power to wreak the destruction that he did. Does this mean it was the United Kingdom's fault the World War II took place? Of course not. Their appeasement merely accelerated an action which would have happened down the road anyways, and therefore can hardly be place on their shoulders.
In closing, I would like to state that the United States will continue with their best possible efforts to secure peace not only in Iraq, but also in other places of our global community who are suffering. It is a tedious problem, and the individual who expects overnight success if doing nothing but inviting failure. |
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Thursday, March 4th 2004 - 11:27:54 PM |
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Why do our allies, The United States, not respond to our previous questions. They owe the world an explaination... |
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Thursday, March 4th 2004 - 11:08:38 PM |
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USA [e] |
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The United States Website is up. However, I am still currently designing the actual template and as a result the actual website will be coming in a few days. Thank you.
http://www12.brinkster.com/saheb27/
Regards
Donald Rumsfeld |
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Thursday, March 4th 2004 - 07:52:12 PM |
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Controller - Raymond [e] |
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Joke this is your first offical warning from the controllers, cease your unamusing act, or else we shall seek methdos to silence your antics. We are not here to joke around, we are here to do bussiness. |
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Thursday, March 4th 2004 - 07:33:37 PM |
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Desi Dons |
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Dear Mr. Bush
I have come to a decision in which i have decided that your occupation in Iraq is no longer needed. I believe that if you make a commitment of being a country to solve everyone's problem's then you should stand up to your commitment and act willingly. Where were you're coalition forces when 200 innocent Iraqi's were killed?
Please consider removing your troops from Iraq as this is causing more tension, because Iraqi's are now blaming your forces and more tension is rising due to this.
Thank you Mr. Bush
Sincerly,
President - Abdul Kalam
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Thursday, March 4th 2004 - 06:09:03 PM |
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On the Iraq war and WMD:
Bush administration used the danger that Saddam might supply WMD (weapons of mass destruction) to terrorists as its decisive argument for war. The subsequently failure to find evidence of these weapons has compromised the administration's credibilty on the general subject of WMD, as well as the percieved comptence of the U.S intelligence community. Moreover, during the year and half in which the United States sought to get other countries to support its Iraqi policy, North Korea and Iran were able to acclerate their own programs. Mounting a serious campaign now to prevent nuclear terrorism wil thus be more challenging than it would have been before the Iraq war. |
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Thursday, March 4th 2004 - 05:49:25 PM |
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MANDITORY POSTING #1- /10 marks.
DUE (POSTED ON IR CHAT) BY MONDAY, MARCH 8, 2004 by 2:55 pm or else face a mark of zero. No second chances.
Answer the following questions with an internet post. You and your partner shall recieve the same mark on this posting, so do it well. Remember to relate to real life.
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What type of attitude does your country plan to show throughout the IR Simulation? As a country, what are your top 3 goals/priorities? Who do you plan to work with the most during this simulation (one country)? Who do you see as the biggest road block (one country)for achieving your goals? What is the best approach to international peace and cooperation? What is your country's specific diplomatic strategy/ philosophy (ie. agressive, passive, etc.)? If your country was a fruit, or vegetable, what would it be and why?
Good luck to the international community in answering the above questions.
~The Controllers. |
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Thursday, March 4th 2004 - 03:44:24 PM |
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A chance for a BONUS MARK awaits your country in the manditory posting #1 section. Here's the deal... Your country must submit AN ORIGINAL idea for the posting that you and your peers will have to do. If we choose your ORIGINAL IDEA as part of the manditory posting,you will be rewarded with a bonus mark on said posting. The deadline is the end of today's class. (2:55 pm) Please forward all answers to ircontrollers@hotmail.com as soon as possible. Actual manditory posting WILL BE POSTED TONIGHT AFTER SCHOOL. |
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Thursday, March 4th 2004 - 01:53:53 PM |
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It is distasteful for any observer that it took such an extensive effort to convey such an uncomplicated message—Derek and Raymond are controllers. Seemingly, the capabilities of the controllers are being underestimated. Yes, a consultation for approval is required and yes, they have the supremacy to discard your proposal. Insulting the controllers by instructing them as to what actions they should take is also redundant. The international community is in utter need of identifying their roles as opposed to directing others.
If you would like to write articles, do not hesitate to send them in to tell_it_all@hotmail.com
However, there is no 100% guarantee that it will be published so be sure to check with us before hand! Suggestions, comments, questions can be all sent to the same address :)
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Wednesday, March 3rd 2004 - 03:28:59 AM |
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Just like to report that all postings will be seen as postings from the country in which you choose to reside , not as postings from the individuals in the country. We recommend that you speak to the members of your country, as any remaks that were uncalled for, will be seen as remarks from the collectives in the country. So if your partner makes themselves look bad, you will look bad as well. The following code names have been assigned to the following countries- Controllers= Controllers, Media= Media, Israel=Israel, Palestine= Rugged Diamond, India= India, Pakistan= Born Brown, USA= USA, Canada= Posh Clowns, Iraq= Johnny Brownz, China= Red Dragon, Britain= Big Ben, France= Les Eclairs, Russia= Justin, Syria= Morphling. If there are any changes, countries must formally request a name change from the controllers, and must recieve permission from both Raymond and Derek. If there are any questions that you would like to ask us in private (ie. not on IR chat) please feel free to send an e-mail to the newly created ircontrollers@hotmail.com. Also note that a manditory posting (worth 10 simulation marks) will be requested soon. The answers to the question(s)that we ask must be in by the due date, or shall face a mark of zero. Keep an eye on the IR chat, as one will be coming soon...
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Tuesday, March 2nd 2004 - 07:08:55 PM |
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A few rules for the IR Chat room:
1. You will be evaluated on three mandatory posts provided by the Controllers.
2. No inappropriate comments, racial remarks or slurs will be tolerated on the chat board (these will be removed immediately).
3. All secret messages and spies must report themselves to the Controllers (all information will remain confidential).
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